Alexsanchez
I am waiting for your response to a request to put money up. My offer stands and you can read it in
post 58. Please specify the charity of your choice, and please provide the evidence requested.
There are moon rocks on earth, especially in Antarctica (because they are easier to see.) There are also martian rocks on earth. Russia has moon rocks they brought back from unmanned missions (which means if the Apollo moon rocks actually came from the moon, it does not prove we put a man on the moon.) Scientists also say the moon was knocked off as a chunk of the earth, which means moon rocks are made of the same material as earth rocks.
"...the current most widely accepted explanation is that the Moon formed from the debris left over after a giant impact between Earth and a Mars-sized body."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
So FORGET your moon rock theory. It's forever solidly debunked. It does not prove anyone, even Buzz Armstrong, ever set foot on the moon.
I've edited out the delusional rantings and hand-waving about Patriot missiles. I see that you are trying to claim that the 380+Kg of Apollo rocks were returned by robotics or are meteorites. Please see my
post 57 in this thread.
Please explain these anomalies in your thinking:
1) Why did the Soviets only return 32.6grams, yet Apollo returned 382Kgs?
2) If the rocks were returned robotically, then you are conceding that it was possible to launch a vehicle, navigate to the Moon, perform a braking manoeuvre, enter orbit, soft land a probe, collect samples, leave the surface, navigate back to Earth and soft land.
You cannot return samples robotically without these steps.. As you are now claiming "it was robots what done it" , why are you banging on that LOR was impossible? And that it was impossible to take off from the surface?? They either did that robotically to get the rocks, or it was impossible. If it is impossible, then please explain the rocks. It is is possible, then stop hand-waving about LOR and taking off from the surface. Which is it??? (and by the way, do you know what being hoisted by your own petard means?)
The moon landing is a belief system. It's a religion.
Which is it Alex? Something landed and took off or didn't. Make your mind up.
3) If the Apollo samples were robotically collected, then please detail when the launches took place, from where, and the dates of the returned samples. Bear in mind that a launch powerful enough to do all of the items in point 2 is going to be noticed. The Apollo launches were visible from over 500 miles away. Seismometers on the other side of the Earth registered the shock waves. Heck, amateur astronomers n the UK imaged the LOX dumps from the Saturn boosters in cisLunar space.
4) If it is your contention that the USA is in possession of 382Kg of Lunar rocks sourced from the polar regions then why has no other country with Arctic/Antarctic presence this amount of Lunar material?
5) Your contention is that the Lunar samples are Moon-derived meteorites. Please explain why the Apollo samples show no sign of atmospheric entry, no sign of atmospheric erosion. Please also detail your qualifications in geology and field experience that would allow you to make such a claim. Please also point to a peer-reviewed published report of yours in this field (if you can satisfy either of these, I will double the amount that I will pay to a charity of your choice).
Russia has moon rocks they brought back from unmanned missions (which means if the Apollo moon rocks actually came from the moon, it does not prove we put a man on the moon.)
No they don't. The Soviets have Moon
DUST. The Luna missions returned 32.6 grams. The first sample return mission, Luna 16, took off in September 1970, a full year after Apollo 11 returned its samples.
As you accept that the Russians could take off from the Lunar surface can you please explain why they didn't need a
theodolite and plumb bob. Please also explain how they managed to soft land on the Moon, yet your contention is that the Americans couldn't? (swinging from that petard again, eh?)
No hand-waving or spittle-flecked nonsense in your response Alexsanchez. These are straight question that you must be able to answer if your ideas are expected to have ANY credibility.
what about the insults towards me? But, I can always sign on as somebody else.
Oh, and stop play-acting like a whiney little brat that's wandered into the playground and got a slap for talking smack with the bigger boys. Your very first post contained a slur against the members here. Act your physical age, not your mental age FFS (or indeed your IQ number).