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Offline onebigmonkey

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #465 on: January 30, 2013, 09:07:18 AM »
Please explain this clip.  The astronaut is clearly hoisted up while trying to stand up.  (it's cued at 2:05)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zz9Bzi_GyD0#t=125s
Did you keep watching? In the next clip the fake is supposedly achieved by filming at normal speed and then playing it back at half speed.

So which is it? Wires or half-speed film? Remember, in a single hour-long clip you can't switch between the two methods. (Someone on what's now Cosmoquest tried for something like that - reckoned that long shots were filmed in the desert while close-ups were filmed in a vacuum chamber, but didn't really have an answer for clips which contained both long shots and close-ups.)

And there's also the small fact of the missing hoist. Go back to before the cue-ing point and look at the massive harness the astornaut is wearing when trying to simulate low gravity on Earth. Where is this? Where are the wires attached (at both ends?) Where is the team of people helping them - must have been a very very long piece of nano-wire.

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #466 on: January 30, 2013, 12:15:51 PM »
And there's also the small fact of the missing hoist. Go back to before the cue-ing point and look at the massive harness the astornaut is wearing when trying to simulate low gravity on Earth. Where is this? Where are the wires attached (at both ends?) Where is the team of people helping them - must have been a very very long piece of nano-wire.

One significant problem with these 'wires' and 'hoists' is that they ignore the motion of other objects.
Like the lunar regolith for example when the astronauts are digging or moving about.

Like in this clip for example :


While digging the dust flies in very nice neat parabolic arcs, some of them well over head height, all falling much slower than in 1g.
Perhaps it's all done with wires?

There is another problem with wire systems in that they just do not give convincing reduced gravity or have other issues; such as only allowing the astronaut to move in a straight line and not turn around.
Shown in this apparatus for example :



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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #467 on: January 30, 2013, 02:27:30 PM »
Alex, this wire claim was debunked on the old board about eight years ago. Next?
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=608&page=1
I see the guy who argued for it was banned.

For violating the Terms of Service.
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.

Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #468 on: January 30, 2013, 02:31:16 PM »
Alex, this wire claim was debunked on the old board about eight years ago. Next?
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=608&page=1
I see the guy who argued for it was banned.

For violating the Terms of Service.
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.


They apply to everyone.  However, it tends to be "dissidents" who have been the ones to break them - the rest of us have better manners than that.


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Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

Yup, in a lander.

The Gish Gallop continues.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 03:00:27 PM by Andromeda »
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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #469 on: January 30, 2013, 02:33:50 PM »
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.

No, it's just that so far only 'dissidents' have actually violated them. Or do you have evidence of other members getting away with posting such things as that particular member did?

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Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?

Yes. now that's been answered, perhaps you'll answer the questions outstanding:

To what degree of precision did the Apollo 11 astronauts need to know their position on the Moon to effect a successful ascent and rendezvous?

What are you actual techncial qualifications and expertise? Not who you have worked with, what are your qualifications?

You claim Kubrick was responsible for faking the footage. Do you know where Kubrick actually lived and worked at that time, and where 2001 was actually shot?

You may not brush those claims under the carpet. Either defend them or retract them.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 02:43:14 PM by Jason Thompson »
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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #470 on: January 30, 2013, 02:35:33 PM »
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.

Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

It applies to all, but only eejits tend to violate them.

Yes, Luokhod landed. As did a later version:


What of it?
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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #471 on: January 30, 2013, 02:36:26 PM »
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.
Margamatix was banned for posting a graphic image violating the hosting service's TOS.
Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg
Yes, it did, but not by itself.  It rolled of its descent stage.  As far as "steampunk", well...
First of all, "steampunk" machines generally don't include solar cells, X-ray spectrometers, radioisotope heaters and such. 
Second of all, appeal to ridicule is a standard tool of ignorant laymen; why would someone who alleges himself to be an experienced aerospace engineer do that?

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #472 on: January 30, 2013, 02:41:24 PM »
Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

Not all by itself.  That photo is just the rover, which was carried to the Moon on Luna 17.  The lander part of the spacecraft isn't shown in that photo.

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #473 on: January 30, 2013, 02:43:46 PM »

Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

Yes, you can see it on this site:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/538-Lunokhod-1-Revisited.html

Which, weirdly, is the same place your image can be found.  ::)

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #474 on: January 30, 2013, 02:49:33 PM »
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.

No, you are not being persecuted for your beliefs.  Get over yourself.

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Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?

Yes.  What does that have to do with your claims?
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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #475 on: January 30, 2013, 02:56:39 PM »
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Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?

Yes.  What does that have to do with your claims?

I suspect that he has found the anti-Apollo pages of a certain CT author...

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #476 on: January 30, 2013, 02:57:54 PM »
The Lunokod rovers were an ingenious piece of engineering.
You really don't know much about them if you call them Jules Verne-esque, Alex.

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #477 on: January 30, 2013, 02:58:50 PM »
It seems the terms of service only apply to dissidents.

I would hope that anyone who posts graphic pictures of execution victims to the boards would be banned no matter what their stance on Apollo.

Did this Jules Verne steampunk looking thing actually land on the moon?
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/Lunokhod1.jpg

Come up with something better; you are becoming boring.

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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #478 on: January 30, 2013, 02:59:32 PM »
Read some more pages of this: http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=announce&action=display&thread=1401&page=2, alexsanchez, and you will see that anti-hoaxers were also banned for violations of TOS.
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Re: why was the usa the only one to go to the moon?
« Reply #479 on: January 30, 2013, 03:02:16 PM »