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Offline bknight

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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2024, 01:35:51 PM »
There were IMO major problems with the heat shield.  The ablative material eroded more than ccomputer simulations and id addition areas of the shield completely "broke off" and some of the attachment devices(screws?) were eroded somewhat.
https://whnt.com/news/technology-and-space/nasa-orion-capsule-experienced-several-anomalies-during-re-entry-splashdown/
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2025, 09:03:20 PM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2025, 12:51:41 AM »
And of course Elon Musk, head of the Department of Government Efficiency just happens to know a company that can get us back to the moon for a fraction of the price. What a coincidence.
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2025, 11:11:17 AM »
And of course Elon Musk, head of the Department of Government Efficiency just happens to know a company that can get us back to the moon for a fraction of the price. What a coincidence.

Do you the Trump administration will reduce NASA funding substantially, or dissolve it completely?
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2025, 01:33:11 PM »
Do you the Trump administration will reduce NASA funding substantially, or dissolve it completely?

I think any Earth climate science done by NASA (past & present) is almost certainly going to be gone. Any other science that doesn't have clear practical value (Hubble, JWST) is on thin ice. Trump doesn't value science and won't want the government to fund things just for the sake of learning about the universe.

NASA will probably continue to exist, but only to bring glory to dear leader by showing the power of the US.

I wouldn't even count on NASA to do anything about asteroid 2024 YR4 unless it is likely to affect Donald Trump personally somehow. Maybe the rest of the world will have to pay a ransom to get the US to do something about it.
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2025, 01:46:28 PM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2025, 07:27:09 AM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.

Heh, you're applying "logic" here. Who knows whether Trump even remembers his NASA plans from his first term. And even if he does, there's now a distinct aroma of Musk in the Oval Office...
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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2025, 09:59:38 AM »
And now I'm reading reports that Boeing has warned staff at a meeting last Friday that Artemis may be cancelled.

Phrases like "sunk cost" and "about time" are sort of floating around in my head.
This makes no sense to me for if everyone remembers Trump wanted to have NASS accelerate Artemis in his first term to get boots on the ground or at least Moon manned orbital operations.  Now more than likely this was an objective to put a feather in Trumps' cap.  So to have discussions that Artemis would be cancelled doesn't fit.  Perhaps a re-tooling of the mission might be in order were SpaceX would play a different/larger part would make more sense.

Rational person reasoning doesn't apply anymore.  We're in full clown-shoes brigade mode.

Trump says whatever he needs to in the moment to get what he wants at that moment.  He has no long term plan beyond advancing his personal interests.  He doesn't care about the Artemis program beyond how it makes him look right now.  If it makes him look good right now, keep it funded.  If it doesn't make him look good right now, cancel it. 

That's all the reasoning you need. 

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Re: The Artemis Program
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2025, 12:21:29 PM »
I think it's more likely that Pres. Trump will just defer to Elon Musk on anything having to do with space policy. This means anything that survives from the Artemis program will be bent to Musk's oversight and reflect his personal priorities. I gather Musk wants access to U.S. tax dollars to fund his business enterprise, which he currently has under contracts administered by NASA that reflect NASA's goals. I gather he wants to remove policy and oversight from that equation and just have the dollars to fund SpaceX.

Musk via DOGE will effectively control NASA. Musk has said he doesn't want to go to the Moon. Therefore it's possible Artemis will be redirected toward a Mars-first goal. As long as Musk continues to make Trump look good, Trump will go for it.

This is all conflated with the problems with Boeing, which has truly lost its way.
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