ApolloHoax.net
Off Topic => General Discussion => Topic started by: RedneckR0nin on February 23, 2012, 06:59:35 AM
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Hello everyone!
I am RnR or Jesse whichever you choose! I came here about a year and a half ago! I love science and believe the Apollo missions highlight the greatest achievements that can be possible and obtained by mankind. I have studied this topic extensively and am a construction company owner and a photographer! I live in a Igloo in Canada and like minty candies!
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I'm Glom and I'm not an alcoholic, but do like a good game of cardage. Most of the time I'm drinking neat squash though since I'm driving. Drinking neat squash for a drinking game in lieu of actual booze is actually the harder way to do it. For one, because you're not getting drunk, it doesn't get any easier and for two, in the morning your stomach is really moaning, the so-called squash hangover.
Also, I look at oil wells in between writing software to help everyone else look after oil wells.
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I'm Gillian. I'm the token English major. I'm on disability. I love books, movies, and music, and I live in Beautiful Western Washington with my boyfriend and my cat.
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I'm AtomicDog, and to commemorate a new board site, I'd like to introduce a new avatar...the greatest author who ever lived and my personal hero.
Thank you, Dr. Asimov.
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I am Jason. I've been looking at the space program as a hobby for just over a decade now, and I have collected many books, DVDs, magazines and other things on the subject. I have also met a few astronauts and ground controllers, and seen some lunar sample material. I live in the south of England with my wife, two rabbits and a hamster.
To clear up three things I have often had to remind people of on other fora, I an not American, I am a scientist, and I do post under my real name.
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Remind us what kind of scientist you are again? Doctor of Thinkology, was it? ;)
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I'm Geoff, I'm an aerospace engineer, now retired after a career with a major airframe company and a Formula 1 team. I've been interested in spaceflight since before Sputnik and in the Apollo hoax since I first came across it in the 1990s.
I live in Cornwall with my wife and a cat who walked in a few years back.
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Remind us what kind of scientist you are again? Doctor of Thinkology, was it? ;)
Not quite, though I love that title and might use it in future discussions...
I'm a biochemist.
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I live in Cornwall with my wife and a cat who walked in a few years back.
Funny, after all these years I never twigged you were a fellow Brit. Shows how much attention I pay, doesn't it. I assume it was just the cat who walked in a few years back...? ;)
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I am Tom. I post under the name Echnaton because it is not a name commonly found on forums, where as "Tom" is in use almost everywhere. It is also the German title for one of my favorite operas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhnaten_%28opera%29) If you want to know why it is a favorite, here is a link to the 14 minute long Hymn to Aten sung by countertenor Paul Esswood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNtUC7oddNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNtUC7oddNk)
I was born in Houston and still live there so I grew up with the proprietary feeling for the space program. I watched Neil Armstrong's first steps with my grandfather, who was born before the invention of the airplane and came to Texas before the Indian wars were over.
I have no formal scientific training but I do love knowledge and recognize science as the foremost method of learning about the natural world. I have studied finance, which is a somewhat technical and mathematical field, and work as a wealth manager. Finance has made use of many ideas developed through science and engineering, but because it is abstract and does not have nature as a guide, the consequences of miscalculation are never clear.
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I’m Bob, 53 years old, and a Gemini. I hail from Ohio and I’m a civil engineer.
I’ve been interested in space flight at least since I was 10 years old, and I feel privileged to have lived through the Apollo era. I got really serious about studying the science and technology of space flight starting around 1995, and it’s been an ongoing hobby ever since. My web site is Rocket & Space Technology (http://www.braeunig.us/space/).
I knew little about the alleged “moon hoax” until 2001, at which time I joined the effort to debunk the hoax claims. I registered at this forum shortly thereafter. I enjoy it here and I like the people, but debunking conspiracy theories is not something I find particular pleasurable. My joy comes from the things I learn while debunking conspiracy theories. I consider myself a lifelong student and I’m always trying to absorb new knowledge.
When I’m not hoax debunking or studying astrodynamics, I’m pretty much a regular guy who likes TV, movies, sports, and reading. I was once a very active amateur astronomer, though today my telescope mostly collects dust. I’m interested by almost anything having to do with science, technology and engineering. I’m also a history buff, particularly military history. I like all the Cleveland sports teams (Browns, Indians & Cavaliers) and over the last few years I’ve gotten into auto racing (Indycar).
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I'm Laurel (that's my real name). I was born and raised in Ontario, Canada. I have a degree in English Literature and Creative Writing. I like to read and listen to a wide variety of music. I volunteer at Ten Thousand Villages. I'm in the process of re-entering the workforce after a long period of unemployment.
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Another Ontarian here. Software developer, currently working on iPads and (sorta) Android tablets. ("sorta" because we want to support them, but we have no customers on Android - and do have iPad customers).
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I'm gtvc from Colombia I like the space program and almost every topic I can find in the Internet. :P
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Make that 3 Ontarians. :) I'm in Hamilton.
I'm LunarOrbit. I don't give my real name because I don't want immature conspiracy theorists harassing me in "the real world".
I'm a web developer by day and forum moderator by night.
I've been fascinated by space exploration ever since I was a kid. I've been dealing with conspiracy theorists since 2001 when Fox aired their stupid Moon conspiracy show. I started out arguing with none other than Bart Sibrel on the Fox forum (that was back when he actually tried to interact with people).
I'm the third owner of ApolloHoax. The original owner abandoned it. The second owner accidentally let the hosting expire because he wasn't given the information necessary to renew it. I resurrected it with the Proboards forum. In addition to ApolloHoax.net I also own TheSpaceRace.com (http://www.thespacerace.com), which has been online for nearly 11 years.
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That would be 4 Ontaians. Toronto boy all the way.
Went to University in Hamilton for 7 years.
Math teacher by trade. Lurker mostly here and at BAUT
Pete
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Hi everyone... (http://www.emotihost.com/glass5/20.gif)
Most people call me Cz, real name is Paul. I'm a BC boy, born, raised and lived all my life just outside of Vancouver, BC. I've worked in Transportation for the last 15 or so years, been an avid photographer for about 27 years, and been doing it professionally for about the last 7 years.
Ever since I was a little kid I've been fascinated by the Space Program and have been following / studying it for as long as I can remember. I've known about HB's since around 2000-ish and I think I got started "debunking" 'round about 2007, shortly after finding my way to Clavius. From there I found my way here and to UM, where I spend the bulk of my online time.
Lately I've been keeping a low-ish profile here and there, mainly because I find I get too frustrated with those who revel in their willful ignorance and those who propagate the lies put forth by people like Rene, Kaysing, Percy, Sibrel, White (both of them) etc. and my doctor tells me that I have to keep my blood pressure down... ;)
Cz
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I am Dave, I post under the name Abaddon, it annoys a certain kind of person. I laugh.
ETA: I am a 43 yr old telecomms engineer, graduated in 1992. The string of letters after my name is comical in it's length, but what can you do.
Still, at least I can add some authority to the party, I guess.
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Hi, I'm slang, born in 1969, a somewhat significant year for this forum. :) I'm an IT professional, currently working for a financial institution. My boyhood fantasies were being an astronaut or a fighter pilot, and those general interests are still with me, although my fantasies have taken a different direction. ;) I'm also interested in astronomy and biology, and love reading science fiction and fantasy.
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Brett — 51 — Peters Creek, Alaska
- FAA Administrative Officer
- MSgt, USAF (Retired)
- Tyer and caster of flies
- Maker of sausage and other smoked meaty goodness
- Home improvement demigod
- Photographer
- Shooter/reloader
- Flight sim enthusiast
- Technical-sciencey background in military avionic sensors, including infrared imaging and laser target designator systems.
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The C is for Christopher, which has the same problem as "Tom", but I couldn't come up with anything like "Echnaton". I live in Indiana, do embedded software for a living and various electronics and computer programming things for fun, go hiking in the nearby nature preserves, and take pictures of whatever catches my eye.
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Five Ontarians!
(although I'm originally from Newfoundland)
Hi, I'm Ginnie - I was a member of the old forum since 2007 or so. Was confused as to why anybody doubted the "official story" of the Apollo Space Program and still am. I'm not an expert in anything space or technology related and is mainly interested in unimportant stuff like art and music.
Been away from the board for awhile, concentrating more on writing music and jamming.
Good to be back!
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Good to have you back, Ginnie. You can never have too many Ontarians in a forum.
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I'm Phil. I've mostly lurked here and over on BAUT. I've posted here, well, on the old forum, but not on BAUT. The regulars there are way more educated than me.
I saw the FOX program on Apollo, and could NOT believe that anyone could or even would question that the landings could be faked.
Anyway, I own a bodyshop in Iowa, and I'm 58.
Looks like, again, I'm the oldest.
Phil
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Looks like, again, I'm the oldest.
Phil
Not while I'm here.
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I'm Phil. I've mostly lurked here and over on BAUT. I've posted here, well, on the old forum, but not on BAUT. The regulars there are way more educated than me.
I saw the FOX program on Apollo, and could NOT believe that anyone could or even would question that the landings could be faked.
Anyway, I own a bodyshop in Iowa, and I'm 58.
Looks like, again, I'm the oldest.
Phil
Well not of age! I turn 61 this month :-)
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Whew!!
I HATE being the oldest!
Thanks!
Phil
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There were hoax believers on the old forum who were over 100 years old according to their profiles... which I'm sure are 100% accurate because conspiracy theorists never lie. ;)
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There were hoax believers on the old forum who were over 100 years old according to their profiles... which I'm sure are 100% accurate because conspiracy theorists never lie. ;)
Well that explains why they wouldn't believe space flight is possible nor aerospace engineering achieving what it has...they are still reveling in the creation of the steam engine and trying to disprove that Charles Lindbergh made it across the Atlantic ocean....it was all a government ploy to try and create popularity for the city of St.|Louis...I have proof
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I'm Ian, I'm 51 and I live near Heathrow Airport. I've lurked on the old forum and occasionally posted though nothing of major import. I'm a computer support technician in my day job. I have a lifelong interest in space and science in general, physics is my favourite. I've been foolish enough to start an Open University degree in Physical Science... something I am slowly and painfully working my way through, but enjoying immensely. I am pleased to be able to say I can remember Apollo happening, and being amazed at what was going on, and been disappointed with our Space efforts since....
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I'm Phil, and I live in San Diego, California. KA9Q is my ham radio callsign. I got my ham license in 1971 while in the 10th grade. The Apollo program was still going on, and that was one of the things that got me interested in radio. I was absolutely awestruck that they could send live TV, voice and data over a quarter million miles of empty space with an antenna that looked like a small umbrella and only 10 or 20 watts of power - about that of a modern compact fluorescent lamp. (Of course the earth antennas were a little larger). That even light needed 3 seconds to make the round trip emphasized the enormous distance.
Everything about Apollo fascinated me. The huge rocket engines. The computers that figured out exactly where, when and how to fire them to get to the moon and back. The tracking systems so sensitive that they could detect a urine dump. The life support systems that kept the astronauts alive. And so on. I was one of the many people of my generation that Apollo helped inspire into science and engineering. I went on to get two electrical engineering degrees and enter a rewarding career in communications research and development. I'm now semi-retired.
Although I've never worked on space professionally, I became a volunteer in AMSAT, a group of radio hams that designs, builds and operates their own satellites. I remain especially interested in deep space communications. I've designed and built several spacecraft data modems including a demodulator/ decoder for the STEREO spacecraft that is in regular use by NOAA. Even though I can do the math and explain the theory, receiving data that has crossed hundreds of millions of kilometers of empty space still has some of the magic I felt when I watched those fuzzy live TV pictures from the moon.
Today there are 7,000,000,000 of us on the planet. The human species faces enormous, potentially civilization-ending problems like resource depletion, energy and global warming that can only be solved through science and technology. And it's sad that we now have nothing like Apollo to inspire and motivate young people into technical careers.
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I'm Dave, originally from Ohio until joining the USAF, then all over the place before settling (and retiring '94) in Colorado Springs. Dad nicknamed me "skeeter", maybe scooter is a Ron White thing...
Been a space fan since the beginning, remember watching Shepard's launch in the elementary school lunchroom (where we also ducked under the window ledges for what I imagine was the Cuban Missile thing). Took some Masters courses in Space Systems, which just raised my awe level for those who made, and still make, spaceflight happen. Learned a (little) bit of rocket science along the way. Often wonder where I'd be if I'd gone into the Space side of the USAF, but C3I was challenging as well. I do rocketry on the side, just like things that fly. SEL pilot from way back, but can't afford it now.
Always learning, this place is an excellent classroom. Thanks to all...
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Hi, I'm Barry. I'm 47 and I live in northern Vermont USA. I grew up in Massachusetts, but I've lived up here since '82. Most of my work career has been in the food service field. I served one 3 year enlistment in the US Army back in the late 80's as a unit level communications tech (31V). I've been interested in space flight for as long as I can remember. When I was first exposed to the Apollo hoax theory, my research into this nonsense brought me here. Places like this, JREF, and BAUT have been very educational. Thanks again to all of you who share your knowledge and expertise with us "dummies" :)
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Hello,
I'm James, I'm 31 years old and I live in BC, Canada, Just a short drive from Vancouver. I work at an MRO facility, where I work on CC-130H's and 737's. I've loved sci-fi and space exploration for as long as I can remember. I only learned about the Apollo hoax in the early 2000's and began trying to debunk HB claims some time after. I've learned so much about space exploration in general, just from all the debunking of HB claims and the members of this forum should get a lot of the credit for that education.
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I'm Phil, and I live in San Diego, California. KA9Q is my ham radio callsign. I got my ham license in 1971 while in the 10th grade.
Do people still collect QSL cards? You might actually like my prefix, and if I ever get around to getting some equipment, I just might be able to reach you over that rather large body of water ...
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I'm a dad of 3 kids. We shoot black powder at the sky and try not to miss. I googled "moon movie" one day looking for films to watch with the kids and found Bart Sibrel. We exchanged a couple of emails until he blocked me. Then I found this place to discuss and vent my outrage at his utter ignorance.
I had another username when I first got here, but left for a variety of reasons. Then I came back.
I use this name at JREF and David Icke forum. I don't post much here because I'm finding the moon hoax to be increasingly repetitive and decreasingly intelligent.
I'm the Technical Director and Master carpenter for the Ballet school my kids attend. I like to make and fix stuff. And I make moonshine.
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I use this name at JREF and David Icke forum. I don't post much here because I'm finding the moon hoax to be increasingly repetitive and decreasingly intelligent.
But you post at David Icke?
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The stupidity here is as predictable as a bag of M&Ms. The users at Icke post organically grown, free-range, hand dipped gourmet stupidity.
Very entertaining.
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Fair enough.
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The stupidity here is as predictable as a bag of M&Ms. The users at Icke post organically grown, free-range, hand dipped gourmet stupidity.
Very entertaining.
Yep, that's why I have an account there too. It's always good for a few laughs.
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Do people still collect QSL cards?
Some hams do, but I've always been much more involved in the technical and experimental side of ham radio than in the operating. In fact, I've been a licensed ham for 40 years but I don't think I have ever ordered a batch of QSL cards...
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From San Antonio, Texas here, studying to get my major (only about a semester off, if I'm lucky!) I play videogames and pen and paper RPGs, I like historical swordfighting, and I'm quite enamored with futurism/transhumanism, having some extremist ideas about future possibilities.
Conspiracy theorists are amusing to me, and I was drawn into everything thanks to the book "Bad Astronomy" by Phil Plait. So many things in there that I didn't know people actually believed! Soon I discovered the forums, then stopped looking at them until I got an email that they were merging with Universe Today, then I became a rather active member for a while. Eventually dropped out thanks to stress for myself, and finding discussions on there less enjoyable.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, I wrote a blog post, rather in-depth, about it, where I compare "monkey governments" vs. "shakespeare government" to explain the differences of philosophy between conspiracy theorists and real history: http://solusl.blogspot.com/2012/04/monkey-governments-and-problem-with-us.html It goes into another, separate ramble of mine about "Us vs. Them" after mention of a segue. Just thought someone here might like my ideas on the subject.
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Hello!
I'm Andromeda, 30 years old with a couple of Physics/Astrophysics degrees. I've been an amateur astronomer for about 15 years. I'm British, but have been accused of being a "NASA disinformation agent" a few times - not just for talking about the reality of Apollo but also for denying end-of-the-world/Nibiru/Blue Beam conspiracies.
I'm married to a member here...
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Uh-oh, she found me...
:)
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Charming!
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have been accused of being a "NASA disinformation agent" a few times
:secrethandshake:
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Charming!
Yes, aren't I? Presumably that's why you married me... :)
Welcome to the funhouse!
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have been accused of being a "NASA disinformation agent" a few times
:secrethandshake:
http://www.irishacts.com/misc/secret-handshake.gif
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Hello, my name is Advancedboy, but you can call me retarded, if that makes you a yota happier. I live in Latvia, town named Kuldiga. I am 25 years old, English is not my native language, as you guessed it already. Since age 12 my interests have been- US manufacturing( precision manufacturing) ,US economy, aviation, car industry and space. I love nature, talent of people, animals, life itself and beauty in all its exposures.
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Hey there, advanced. You do realize that this image looks like you just woke up with a hangover and decided, for some reason, to take a pic to capture the moment, right? ;)
No offense! Welcome to the forums!
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Hello, my name is Advancedboy, but you can call me retarded, if that makes you a yota happier.
Why the hostility in your introduction? Doesn't exactly set us up to believe you're here for proper unbiased conversation, does it?
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G'day folks
Peter B here, from the old board. I've been so busy in the last year or so that it's only just now I've had the time to search out this new board and sign up.
I live in Canberra in Australia, not far from the Canberra Deep Space Communications Centre and the old Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station. I'm married, with two sons, and another baby on the way (due in December).
For those keeping score, I was born about a fortnight after the Apollo 1 accident. I remember being interested in space when I was in primary school (the earliest space mission I remember is Apollo-Soyuz), but my interest wasn't really rekindled until I bought Murray and Cox's "Apollo the Race to the Moon" in about 1989. A few years after that I joined the Australian Skeptics, and really started to learn about the hoax theories.
Otherwise, I completed a Graduate Diploma in Professional Writing last year, took a redundancy from work last month, and plan to annotate and publish my great-grandfather's memoirs.
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Glad to have you transition over here, Peter. I am interested in what you find compelling about your great grandfather's memoir, if you want to tell get into the topic.
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Glad to have you transition over here, Peter.
Thanks! It's good to be here.
I am interested in what you find compelling about your great grandfather's memoir, if you want to tell get into the topic.
Well, if this is the right place to mention it...?
This is the man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Miles
He went to sea at the age of 14 in 1863, literally with only the clothes on his back, but over time became a ship's master, a shipping entrepreneur, a railway engineer, a politician, and a mining engineer. He once had a run-in with a union official who later became an Australian Prime Minister. He provided evidence to help win a court case in which the losing barrister would later become another Australian Prime Minister. He started tin dredging in what is now Phuket in Thailand. And because he improperly influenced a tender process for dredging a harbour, he brought down a government in which he was a Minister. In short, he led a very interesting life.
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That sounds fascinating!
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A worthy subject for a book. Good luck.
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The stupidity here is as predictable as a bag of M&Ms. The users at Icke post organically grown, free-range, hand dipped gourmet stupidity.
I hear you. The vast majority of hoaxers simply repeat the same old tired cliches about no stars in the lunar sky and no crater under the LM. Most of them actually seem to think we haven't heard it all before. So yeah, it's pretty predictable and dull.
But there are a few interesting and entertaining exceptions such as Youtube user 'hunchbacked' (real name Xavier Pascal). He was here briefly as 'inquisitivemind' until he gave up in frustration at not being able to get any of us closed-minded shills to share in his delusions.
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Speaking of conspiracy theories, I wrote a blog post, rather in-depth, about it, where I compare "monkey governments" vs. "shakespeare government" to explain the differences of philosophy between conspiracy theorists and real history:
I read it. Your idea that events in the real world are driven mainly by random chance and with people who try to do the right thing as they see it despite huge gaps in their knowledge, is not new though your terminology (monkey vs Shakespeare government) probably is.
I've seen essays that attribute the popularity of certain pseudoscientific beliefs and conspiracy theories to the natural human tendency to seek patterns in the world, sometimes finding them even when they don't exist.
This tendency, like most other traits, varies from person to person. A person unusually talented in detecting real patterns might become extraordinarily successful in a field like science, math, criminal investigation or stock trading. For some others, the false positives can be so numerous and insight so lacking as to be a mental illness. Sometimes both can be true, as in the famous case of Dr. John Nash.
But you don't have to be clinically mentally ill to fall for a false belief based on nonexistent patterns because that's a universal part of being human. Our best defense is education: getting people to understand the pitfalls of human perception and intuition and to subject them to the tests and safeguards built into the scientific method. I know that's much easier said than done, especially when they've already become attached to a pet belief.
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Hello, new member here. I'm from Denmark, used to study cell biology and chemistry at Odense University (5 years), now called Southern Denmark University. DNF for personal reasons, short army career (comms), now part owner of a taxi company. I practise martial arts, Brazillian Jiujitsu (blue belt) and Daito-ryu aikijiujitsu (1.dan). I am an instructor at a local gunrange, teaching how to shoot handguns on targets and keeping people safe while they do it.
I've been interested in the Apollo travels from my earliest years, and everytime somebody pops their head up, claiming they were faked, I cannot help myself - I have to set them straight.
Here's a couple of threads in a local newspaper, where my nick is "Alan F" - because "Allan F" was already taken:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/article1906134.ece
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article1912931.ece
Also, I'm active in 911-threads, supporting the real world explanation of 19 dedicated, highly intelligent sociopaths, who used terrorism as a political statement. Which backfired, since their leaders are dead or in hiding, their finances mostly frozen, their safe haven in Afghanistan destroyed, and their political and religious standpoint viewed as an affront to all civilized people.
I'm here to get detailed knowledge, I would be hard pressed to dig up myself, like "How much lifesupport was needed in the CM after SM jettison until spashdown?"
Allan F
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Hi Allan, nice to "meet" you and welcome to ApolloHoax!
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Retired Sailor, currently a radiological control technician at the Puget Shipyard in western WA. I first got wind of the old Apollo Hoax forum after some guy at work was passing around a list of reasons why the Apollo moon landings were fake. I was able to refute some of them off the top of my head but searched and found Clavius when looking for more info. I have learned more from JREF and this website than any other.
In my spare time I enjoy shooting, gun smithing and bikes.
Ranb
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Retired Sailor, currently a radiological control technician at the Puget Shipyard in western WA. I first got wind of the old Apollo Hoax forum after some guy at work was passing around a list of reasons why the Apollo moon landings were fake...
Ranb
Welcome, RanB. Why not invite 'guy at work' to join the forum and put his claims here? Although, after reading Clavius and/or simply taking a look around here and on other forums, he may wish to simply become educated..
:D
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Hello, new member here.
Welcome to the forum Allan. I have spent a few short but really nice weekends in Copenhagen. One memorable evening included one of the best bluegrass bands I've seen.
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ReHi - I used to lurk on this forum as AstroSmurf (before the move), and now I lurk with a different nickname.
I'm originally from Sweden, now living in London. Doing software contracting, and that has kept me too busy to finish my MSc although I'm closing in on it now. Occasionally playing with astrophysics in my spare time - I was involved with an open-source space exploration game which never took off, and I also spend time with Orbiter, Celestia and a 6" Vixen Schmidt-Cassegrain (although light pollution here leaves much to be desired).
I've pretty much always enjoyed reading about manned space exploration. I first visited the Air & Space museum when I was five, and went back there a few years ago, still finding it interesting. If my other half permitted I would have the hallway decorated with blueprints, but she has Opinions on that ;)
I found the AH forum via the old BA forum, before it added UT, CQ etc ... still have an account I think, but mostly ignoring it these days. Life keeps me pretty busy, and the HBs are rarely interesting enough to get me to respond, but I still keep learning new things from other posters. This forum also has a better signal-to-noise ratio than most, so well done to LunarOrbit for keeping it on-topic and interesting.
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Hello all and thanks to LunarOrbit for sorting out my joining the forum. My name is George and I am principally here because of the Conspiracy Theories about the Apollo programme and the Moon Landings! I am not an Apollo Believer, there is nothing to believe! I am an 'Apollo knower'...I KNOW it happened, its a fact, it was real... get over it!
How do I know it happened? because I am a reasonably educated man, with a reasonable general knowledge and a reasonable amount of common sense...sure I don't KNOW all the physics, all the Engineering and as for the mathematics of it all....fuggedaboutit! But ALL the evidence is there for me to not have any other opinion than to Know!
I 'lost' someone who I considered my 'best friend' a couple of years ago because one day he saw the Sibrel film and was convinced there was one huge conspiracy. I didn't know much about the 'counter theories' against CT's but I had read up on a few things...flapping flags.....the letter 'C' on THE rock, the Van Allen Belt etc. and when I told him about the truth of these he listened with an incredibly insulting smirk on his face...like someone who is listening to a child who is telling an obvious whopper of a lie. Not only did I have the incredible urge to punch him in the face, and I am glad that I am not a lesser man who may well have done (besides I am a lover not a fighter :D) It suddenly leapt into my mind that this reasonably intelligent well travelled man is actually a blithering idiot! I haven't really spoken with him since!
I probably wont be posting much here, because I do not suffer fools gladly. I am extremely intolerant of those whom I consider to be morons and any civility that I may be able to show would rapidly wear thin and I know that that would be against the spirit of this forum. Please allow me to post the odd item which I think may be of help to blow idiocy into the weeds.. and if I am wrong please feel free to let me know.
have a good 'un one and all :)
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I am extremely intolerant of those whom I consider to be morons...
That's a good thing??????
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
- Max Erhman
Nothing is so indicative of deepest culture as a tender consideration of the ignorant.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
- Moliere
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I am extremely intolerant of those whom I consider to be morons...
That's a good thing??????
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
- Max Erhman
Nothing is so indicative of deepest culture as a tender consideration of the ignorant.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
- Moliere
Well obviously not on a forum like this, which is why I probably wont post too much... might get away with a bit of overt sarcasm every now and then, but I don't wish to start any 'flame wars'! Bashing skulls against stubborn ignorance is bad for my blood pressure anyway!
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Welcome aboard George. :)
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I am extremely intolerant of those whom I consider to be morons...
That's a good thing??????
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
- Max Erhman
Nothing is so indicative of deepest culture as a tender consideration of the ignorant.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
- Moliere
Well obviously not on a forum like this, which is why I probably wont post too much... might get away with a bit of overt sarcasm every now and then, but I don't wish to start any 'flame wars'! Bashing skulls against stubborn ignorance is bad for my blood pressure anyway!
We are a forum that invites hoax believers to come and present their case. We need to give them some room to work or our efforts to discuss hoax beliefs will fail and all we will do is talk among ourselves. I limit my posting here to times I feel I can address the HBs without getting personal. I could never be a politician because I lack the ability to gladly suffer fools.
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I don't suffer them gladly. I just work to make my personal irritation limited in my presentation here, and then, I vent to certain of my friends who find HBs' antics funny.
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As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
- Max Erhman
Nothing is so indicative of deepest culture as a tender consideration of the ignorant.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
- Moliere
You can't please any of the people any of the time. So the hell with 'em.
- My former boss
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I am extremely intolerant of those whom I consider to be morons...
That's a good thing??????
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
- Max Erhman
Nothing is so indicative of deepest culture as a tender consideration of the ignorant.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.
- Moliere
Well obviously not on a forum like this, which is why I probably wont post too much... might get away with a bit of overt sarcasm every now and then, but I don't wish to start any 'flame wars'! Bashing skulls against stubborn ignorance is bad for my blood pressure anyway!
We are a forum that invites hoax believers to come and present their case. We need to give them some room to work or our efforts to discuss hoax beliefs will fail and all we will do is talk among ourselves. I limit my posting here to times I feel I can address the HBs without getting personal. I could never be a politician because I lack the ability to gladly suffer fools.
Obviously I can see the merits of this, I have been on forums where you are 'out' at the slightest remark which goes against the grain, and then as you say all you get is a bunch of people patting each other on the back in their 'righteousness'.
I haven't read every single post here on every single thread the few that I have read (not just on this forum, but on this topic) seems to be from people who appear (to me) to have no intention of 'discussing' their beleifs, or maybe I have written that incorrectly, they want to 'discuss' but only to the extent that they are absolutely 100% correct regardless of what anybody else has to say. They wil hammer their 'point home' and disregard everything else and that is the stubborn ignorance that I dont want to bash my head against.
We have ALL been wrong over something in some point in our lives, maybe a 'big' something maybe not a 'big' something. And we are wrong because we have been misinformed at some point. Perhaps we thought we saw something that didnt actually occur the way our brain told us that it did..and the limiting factor is 'our brain' not the act or occurance that we saw. Perhaps we read something that wasnt strictly accurate, or someone told us something and they were wrong. It is easy to be wrong about something but to stick doggedly to this wromng belief and disregard every other input into the subject, from people who may be more intelligent, more learned, more informed..well tht doesnt exactly lead to 'honest' debate or discussion does it?
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Howdy folks!
I'm a lifelong space enthusiast and self-proclaimed information sponge. I come to your wonderful site courtesy of having run afoul of a nest of conspiracy heads. I believe that the space program embodies the very finest aspirations of humanity, and hope to become a valued member of your online community.
Sadly, due to a tragically(but fun-filled!) misspent youth, I can claim no real credentials, but I have a strong foundation in science and mathematics and more than a smattering of programming skill. I also pride myself on being a keen observer of human nature.
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Ooo missed this thread, i'm bryanpoprobson been in Telecoms all my working career, Fibre optics and Sat Coms Specialist, after a 8 year sabbatical in Spain, where I've done everything from working as a chef to painting and decorating, selling property, etc. I am now back in my native UK and back as a Broadband and telephone installer and network fault finder. However I am now back at Uni taking a degree in law in order to take over my father in laws firm.
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Ooo missed this thread, i'm bryanpoprobson been in Telecoms all my working career, Fibre optics and Sat Coms Specialist, after a 8 year sabbatical in Spain, where I've done everything from working as a chef to painting and decorating, selling property, etc. I am now back in my native UK and back as a Broadband and telephone installer and network fault finder. However I am now back at Uni taking a degree in law in order to take over my father in laws firm.
Have you ever played football? (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/Smilies/cheesy.gif)
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Howdy folks!
I'm a lifelong space enthusiast and self-proclaimed information sponge. I come to your wonderful site courtesy of having run afoul of a nest of conspiracy heads. I believe that the space program embodies the very finest aspirations of humanity, and hope to become a valued member of your online community.
Sadly, due to a tragically(but fun-filled!) misspent youth, I can claim no real credentials, but I have a strong foundation in science and mathematics and more than a smattering of programming skill. I also pride myself on being a keen observer of human nature.
That'll teach you for attacking windmills then!
Welcome to one of the few refuges of sense and fact in an internet full of stupid.
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Psych major that loved hard sciences here. Somehow wound up working in management for a major rail carrier and also a multi-engine flight instructor.
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Looking back, I see I have never made an introductory post here.
My name is Ian. I grew up with a fascination for astronomy and the stars that was triggered when a friend of my father's (Frank Hall) loaned us his home-built equatorial mounted 6" Newtonian reflector. I spent many a fond hour observing the moon. I was 14 when Neil Armstrong first stepped onto the lunar surface and I remember it like it was yesterday.
I spent 20 years as an Avionics technician in our Air Force, and was involved maintenance and servicing of multiple aircraft types (C-130K, P3K, A4K, BAC Strikemaster, Aermacchi MB339, HS Andover and even the occasional T6 Harvard, and at every level of repair from black-box changer to depot level refurbishment & repair of multi-layer printed circuit boards.
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Graduate Petroleum Engineer working in oil and gas drilling and production. Worked in CONUS with one brief job that covered Azerbaijan and Georgia(former USSR countries).
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Have you ever played football? (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98915197/Smilies/cheesy.gif)
Ha you have spotted the root of my name. I was (still am) a moderator for a football forum I just let the name hang over to most other forums I'm on.