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jfb:

--- Quote from: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2025, 05:26:54 AM ---Najak, late of this parish, has started his own forum to discuss Apollo matters.

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"Discuss."


--- Quote ---The only thing there at the moment is an Apollo 13 post, where he concludes that a lack of evidence covering Apollo 13's re-entry means it is somehow fake.

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Gee what a shock.  Of course when you reflexively dismiss all evidence that doesn't suit your narrative as "fake", it's not terribly surprising you'd claim there's no evidence. 

TimberWolfAu:

--- Quote from: jfb on July 28, 2025, 11:28:40 AM ---Gee what a shock.  Of course when you reflexively dismiss all evidence that doesn't suit your narrative as "fake", it's not terribly surprising you'd claim there's no evidence.

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Najak starts with the conclusion the missions were faked, and all evidence must point to this. Several times he has accepted claims from other HB's with no checking, and only after the actual details are provided does he then admit that, maybe, perhaps, just possibly, they are not great evidences (and half the time, typically followed with a claim/request that the original poster should remove their post)....... but it was still fake and THEYᵀᴹ are covering it all up and presenting bad science to the world (which no one has ever noticed in over 50 years).

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Apparently his video dissection of the Apollo 13 re-entry will be available soon. If I see it first, I'll drop a link.

TimberWolfAu:
Whoops, should have said the upcoming video is on the lack of cratering. No doubt it will be full of detailed analysis, reconstructions of events, and in depth explanations of the lunar surface prior to the arrival of the LM, all backed up by Najaks extensive area of expertise in, well, just about everything it seems.

Jason Thompson:

--- Quote from: TimberWolfAu on July 28, 2025, 12:39:59 PM ---Najak starts with the conclusion the missions were faked, and all evidence must point to this.
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Not only that, but he operates from a premise of 'if it was faked, these reasons and these methods explain it, and that's all the evidence we need for that'. He commits the complete logical failure of essentially charging someone with the means, motive and opportunity of murder, and concocting elaborate scenarios about how the murder too place, before taking the steps of verifying if the alleged victim is actually even dead in the first place.

Though he did give us a great laugh when he asked the only person in the world (literally, to my knowledge) to have written a couple of books on the subject of the development and functioning of the Apollo TV systems if he had 'any links' to back up his statement about how the TV worked on Apollo....

JayUtah:

--- Quote from: TimberWolfAu on July 28, 2025, 09:21:07 PM ---...backed up by Najaks extensive area of expertise in, well, just about everything it seems.
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Indeed, his problem here seemed to be that he approached all the problems from the position that whatever he already knew about a subject was sufficient to determine questions of authenticity. Even his flounce entailed abandoning his specific claim in favor of preserving his belief in his own authority—i.e., to have proven his own claims false by his own acumen. When it became evident that he was not suitably proficient, he resisted being taught and instead tried to create a parallel narrative that only he controlled. This conforms to the hypothesis I have long held that conspiracy theories are formulated more to satisfy the ego of the claimant than to actually investigate the narrative.


--- Quote from: Jason Thompson on July 29, 2025, 05:06:26 AM ---Not only that, but he operates from a premise of 'if it was faked, these reasons and these methods explain it, and that's all the evidence we need for that'. He commits the complete logical failure of essentially charging someone with the means, motive and opportunity of murder, and concocting elaborate scenarios about how the murder too place, before taking the steps of verifying if the alleged victim is actually even dead in the first place.
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Known succinctly as the "subversion of support." There is no obligation to explain something that didn't actually happen.


--- Quote ---Though he did give us a great laugh when he asked the only person in the world (literally, to my knowledge) to have written a couple of books on the subject of the development and functioning of the Apollo TV systems if he had 'any links' to back up his statement about how the TV worked on Apollo....
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It seems hard for some people to believe that actual professionals and experts will frequent places on the Internet where the subjects of their professional interest are discussed. In the larger sense, there is a general feeling among conspiracy theorists that no real expertise exists. I've been told many times that I'm just better at Googling than others, or just better at debate tactics than others. It never crosses their minds that they may be speaking with people who actually have years—if not decades—of real-world expertise. Even still, anyone dedicated to studying the materials with a broad interest is likely to acquire a better knowledge of the subject than one who studies only what's needed to inform the next day's "gotcha!" attempt.

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