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Corona and Keyhole satellite imagery and the Apollo Detectives
onebigmonkey:
Kudos to McKeegan, he did actually turn up on their live stream, and found himself ambushed by stupid questions that were nothing to do with the nominal subject at hand (eg the alleged existence of two Apollo 13 capsules, which is a lie).
Another satellite system reared its head, namely Gambit, and Jarrah didn't know whether it used a pressurised system or not.
Let me help you there Jarrah: it did not. This document
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA606622.pdf
Outlines how the Gambit system was originally planned to be pressurised, and that such was the level of secrecy over the various projects the Gambit developers were unaware that the unpressurised systems in Corona were a thing. In the end, changes to the recovery program that would have been needed for the much heavier pressurised system, and eventual oversight of the project by people who knew that Corona existed, that sent them down an unpressurised path.
In other interesting development, the detectives seem to be declaring that images of Earth are indeed genuine, but have somehow been spliced into magazines with Apollo astronauts on the surface in some studio somewhere.
They're running out of straws to clutch at.
TimberWolfAu:
--- Quote from: onebigmonkey on August 26, 2025, 12:47:45 PM ---In other interesting development, the detectives seem to be declaring that images of Earth are indeed genuine, but have somehow been spliced into magazines with Apollo astronauts on the surface in some studio somewhere.
They're running out of straws to clutch at.
--- End quote ---
Isn't that 'Rasa's' idea that the SIV-B went to the moon and took the photos of the Earth and moon from various 'half-way' points, along with all the photos of the moon from lunar orbit?
onebigmonkey:
Something along those lines, but the film somehow still managed to make it through the VAB and vacuum of space that way. There are countless photos from the spacecraft where people are visible and the cameras are obviously hand held. The 16mm and TV footage is also there, and lunar details recorded in surface photos aren't there in the lunar orbiter photos. Jarrah has an aulis article where he supposedly demonstrates that those details are there, but in this series of youtube ones also admits that the originals weren't as clear ad the modern ones, and it's the modern ones that used in my comparisons that show they weren't.
It's a trend now with the more informed hoax proponents: concede that some arguments are stupid and some of the evidence is genuine, but it merely adds more layers of complexity in mixing and matching what they believe that just doesn't help them. They isolate fragments of the mission snd say 'this bit is false', but constructing a coherent and logically consistent timeliness from those is impossible.
The Saturn V was underpowered, but got people to orbit, where they stayed, and launched an S-IVB, which was somehow filmed from the CSM after TLI (as well as on TV) by those same people. The unmanned vehicle then took photos which were developed and spliced into other imagery by person or persons unknown somewhere at some point after retrieving the film from a different vehicle that no-one noticed - presumably distracted by the actual CM splashdown.
The number of hoax participants increases massively in their scheme of things, making secrecy and success far less likely.
onebigmonkey:
So the ADs have produced a response video to McKeegan's (which they make clear was recorded before his appearance on their live stream).
It is no response at all. Yet again they completely misrepresent what Dave has been saying, invent all manner of strawman arguments and show basic lack of research and understanding. They take offence that Dave McKeegan called them liars but are presenting that as being about their 'experiment'. It is not. McKeegan stated that they were misrepresenting the results of their 'experiment' by not showing consistent views of the film they used. He called them liars because they lied about McKeegan specifically - claiming he had not discussed a specific topic when he had, and they knew he had because they referenced a video in which he discussed it. Just like they lied about him refusing to come on livestreams because they lie. He didn't say that, and he actually turned up!
They repeat the claim that systems were pressurised to protect the film, when in it was to protect the photographic process, and don't seem to want try and establish even the most basic facts about the Corona image that they initially discussed. They insist that the image is damaged when it is not, it's film grain. They've made no effort to try and obtain the images to see for themselves.
It's sad that people fall for this BS.
TimberWolfAu:
--- Quote from: onebigmonkey on August 29, 2025, 05:08:14 AM ---and they knew he had because they referenced a video in which he discussed it.
--- End quote ---
Not the first time they've done that to McKeegan. My favourite was when they were crowing that McKeegan had taken down a video about them, showing a listing of McKeegan's video, and the one they were crowing about was on screen, clear as day.
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