Author Topic: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?  (Read 864666 times)

Offline Andromeda

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1110 on: January 24, 2013, 01:45:08 AM »
In Oliver Sachs' brilliant book The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat

I keep being told to read that, I'll stick it on my wishlist.
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1111 on: January 24, 2013, 06:00:14 AM »
Dealing with him is like a real-life Pythonesque Argument Sketch.

No it isn't ;D

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1112 on: January 24, 2013, 06:05:04 AM »
In Oliver Sachs' brilliant book The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat

I keep being told to read that, I'll stick it on my wishlist.
I haven't read it, but Stephen Pinker describes it in How the Mind Works. Though it is rather sad, it is also rather fascinating due to the insights it gives in, well, how the mind works, or at least the brain.

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1113 on: January 24, 2013, 10:15:46 AM »
It's a very good book, with little jargon and a compassion that is often missing in more clinical works.

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1114 on: January 24, 2013, 10:33:26 AM »
I got a copy and am reading it now!
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1115 on: January 24, 2013, 10:42:06 AM »
I keep being told to read that, I'll stick it on my wishlist.

Time spent listening to or reading Dr. Sachs cannot be deducted from your life.  My father was a great fan of Sachs and I inherited his library.

As to the underlying question, I wrote about this on Cosmoquest.  It would be easier to believe Bjorkman to be in the grip of some neurological impairment if he weren't so two-faced about his debates.  If he really, literally could not comprehend the answers, he wouldn't be surreptitiously changing his web site.  His blindness would have to extend there too.  But since he maintains one posture in public and another in private, it's more parsimonious to believe it's an act.

That's still no excuse for not reading Sachs.
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1116 on: January 24, 2013, 11:42:04 AM »
Dealing with him is like a real-life Pythonesque Argument Sketch.

No it isn't ;D

Sorry, is this the 5-minute argument, or the full half-hour?
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1117 on: January 24, 2013, 11:52:26 AM »
Dealing with him is like a real-life Pythonesque Argument Sketch.

No it isn't ;D

Sorry, is this the 5-minute argument, or the full half-hour?

It's HBers - it's six months, and 60 pages.

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1118 on: January 24, 2013, 01:14:01 PM »
Björkman has updated his page again. Choice quote from the new material: "It is not easy to pilot a space ship as training in Earth is ... not available." :D There's another howler, but I'll provide a fuller coverage once I get back to an OS with a reasonable diff utility.

Offline sts60

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1119 on: January 24, 2013, 03:46:36 PM »
Björkman has updated his page again. Choice quote from the new material: "It is not easy to pilot a space ship as training in Earth is ... not available."
Really?  Hahahahaha!  That's hilarious.  Five different training methods used for Apollo piloting come immediately to mind, and there are quite a few more I'm forgetting about at the moment.

Once again, Heiwa has no idea whatsoever what he's talking about.   

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1120 on: January 24, 2013, 05:51:13 PM »
Björkman has updated his page again. Choice quote from the new material: "It is not easy to pilot a space ship as training in Earth is ... not available." :D There's another howler, but I'll provide a fuller coverage once I get back to an OS with a reasonable diff utility.
Because he has so much personal experience!  [/sarcasmoff]
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1121 on: January 24, 2013, 05:58:05 PM »
Once again, Heiwa has no idea whatsoever what he's talking about.

Indeed.  The methods we use to train space pilots don't differ from the ways we train airline pilots or ship captains.  All three start in ground-based simulators.  Eventually a ship captain moves on to commanding a real ship at sea.  An airline pilot moves on to his first flight.  And a space pilot moves on to his first mission.  To say that ground-based simulation does not prepare one adequately applies equally to air and sea.

I see this a lot, actually.  Some people seem so overwhelmed by the notion of "space" (ermagherd!) that they are unable to think of it as just another set of environmental parameters to be designed for.  They project their own alienation onto everyone else.  To them the space environment is incomprehensibly alien and therefore unchartable.  I wonder if that's what's happening here.
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1122 on: January 24, 2013, 06:37:54 PM »
And because the lunar environment was alien - but comprehensibly so because of a vigorous robotic campaign leading up to Apollo - they tackled the training in many different ways.  Classroom training, part-task simulators, motion simulators with artificial views, the LLRV/LLTV 1/6 G trainers, "flying" video cameras over a large-scale lunar surface, flying aircraft over land with artificially created craters arranged like the expected LZ, navigation training in planetariums (I refuse to say "planetaria"), etc., etc.  As said before, intensive multimodal training for all phases of the mission.

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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1123 on: January 24, 2013, 06:44:57 PM »
(ermagherd!)

I - like totally - read that with a Moon Unit voice (Luna unità voce?)
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Re: So, who wants to win 1 million Euro?
« Reply #1124 on: January 25, 2013, 11:35:21 AM »
I - like totally - read that with a Moon Unit voice (Luna unità voce?)

If you've spent much time on the internet, you know the meme I'm referring to.  http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ermahgerd
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