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Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
najak:
I have only begun to delve into this phenomenon. For sake of this debate, let's keep this limited to ONLY the case for Apollo 14 where the flag moves 8 times while the astronauts are inside.
As my thesis, I'll show the surely-famous clip from Jet Wintzer.
https://youtu.be/p_66cqMQsW4
He seems to do a good job with this presentation, but I'm guessing it's flawed.
I've also read some debunking that suggests it was the result of "cabin depressurization" where the air was expelled close enough to move the flag.
However, I've not seen the proof of alignment of the Flight Journal aligned to these cases of flag motion to prove a feasible correlation.
Nor am I aware of any explanation for what would explain how force is PULLING the flag towards the LEM? For the majority of the time, this flag is offscreen, suggesting that it's "resting state" is offscreen to the right. And then some force PULLS it onto the screen, towards the LEM.
How do PNA's explain this motion?
(PNA = Pro-Nasa-Advocate -- is there a better term to use here. I assume my acronym here is HB - Hoax Believer)
TimberWolfAu:
The video is between EVA 1 and 2.
Given the horizontal bar of the flag pole could pivot freely, I doubt it would have taken a lot of pressure to cause the flag to rotate, once the expelled gasses from the depressurisation prior to the 2nd EVA reached the flag (while gas will expand in a vacuum, its main impulse will still be towards the flag, which was in front of the LM).
But you know what else happened either side if the footage? This picture, showing the flag pointing towards the LM, post EVA 1, and away from the LM post EVA 2.
Simple explanation, requiring no unsupported variables.
najak:
@TimberWolfAu - thank you for the contribution. I was aware of those two photos as well, and the way they have been used in attempt to fully debunk this flag motion on film.
Here's the fully unexplained issue - in the film we see it spend most of it's time off-screen, but 4 of it's 8 movements are TOWARDS the LEM??
Is it possible that they noticed the flag motion, and so adding those two photos of the before/after was "damage control"? How many such photos are there to demonstrate this before/after? I'm downloading the full gallery from Apollo 14 now, to see for myself these photos.
Allan F:
If "they" noticed the flag motion, why then publish it?
najak:
--- Quote from: Allan F on November 22, 2024, 03:46:21 PM ---If "they" noticed the flag motion, why then publish it?
--- End quote ---
Good question, but with a good answer. In 1969, this was a 1-shot showing. People only got to see it once. So their "fixing of mistakes" only needed to be "easy" - no reason to reshoot everything or omit their "continuous footage" on account of something that probably not many would notice - and if they did - they'd be treated worse than HB's today... With no way to find a support group, etc...
Even today, lying or ignorant PNA's (Pro-NASA-Advocates) repeat the known-to-be-false claim that "the flag only moves when being touched", but not daring to mention these critical exceptions. This lying claim is mainstream -- it's all most people will ever hear. They've been denied access to the true MLH arguments that undermine the "Apollo Truth" defined by the system for us today.
So clearly, this "fix" was good enough to last 55 years, and PNA's are still clinging to it tight. So it worked. That's why they didn't need to reshoot the scene or omit this footage.. Just "add a few photos" that we can point to later, if needed.
I haven't fully researched this one. Am in the process of doing this now.
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