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Hoax? - Apollo 12 Lunar Rendezvous, Dish Falls with Gravity
onebigmonkey:
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--- Quote from: ApolloEnthusiast on January 07, 2025, 08:01:36 PM ---I don't know for sure exactly how gas propagates into a vacuum, molecule by molecule, and I'm comfortable asserting that you don't either. What I do know is that the universe doesn't always act the way we expect, and we can observe some very counter intuitive situations in unfamiliar environments. The lunar surface certainly qualifies.
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@JayUTAH should know this in detail. So if he cannot come up with a viable explanation, then we can just document this as "even a long-standing rocket scientist and champion for Apollo was unable to come up with a viable explanation."
I would GLADLY rely upon the understanding of other scientists with much more experience with these concepts. (thermo and fluid dynamics) Let's shop this issue to the world, agree?
This is SIMPLE CONTEXT - so should take Jay very little time to assess. He only needs to assess the VIABLE possibilities.
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Your first problem here is that you have decided that you're the one who gets to dictate what is viable, and you're not.
Your second problem is that it isn't up to you whether Jay bothers to spend his time replying to you. You should not infer that his lack of will to pander to your demands is approval of your stance. It's far more likely that he just can't be arsed with you.
Jason Thompson:
--- Quote from: najak on January 08, 2025, 03:39:59 AM ---@JayUTAH should know this in detail.
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Should he? Why?
--- Quote ---So if he cannot come up with a viable explanation, then we can just document this as "even a long-standing rocket scientist and champion for Apollo was unable to come up with a viable explanation."
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You can but that won't carry any weight. You have singled one out who may or may not be able to answer your question, but that doesn't mean the answer is not known to anyone. And in any case, your ongoing inability to separate what is viable from what you can understand or will accept remains a huge problem in your conclusions.
--- Quote ---I would GLADLY rely upon the understanding of other scientists with much more experience with these concepts. (thermo and fluid dynamics)
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Except you have argued with such people at every turn. It took you pages upon pages of guff to finally understand that rockets don't balance on their thrust.
--- Quote ---This is SIMPLE CONTEXT - so should take Jay very little time to assess. He only needs to assess the VIABLE possibilities.
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No, you are not in a position to decide if the problem is simple and what the viable possibilities are that may need to be assessed. You cannot in one post say both that you will accept the responses from those more experienced than you in the subject AND dictate that it must be simple for them. Plenty of people have already told you that the problems you're arguing are not as simple as you want them to be but you continue to argue.
Zakalwe:
--- Quote from: najak on January 08, 2025, 03:39:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: ApolloEnthusiast on January 07, 2025, 08:01:36 PM ---I don't know for sure exactly how gas propagates into a vacuum, molecule by molecule, and I'm comfortable asserting that you don't either. What I do know is that the universe doesn't always act the way we expect, and we can observe some very counter intuitive situations in unfamiliar environments. The lunar surface certainly qualifies.
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@JayUTAH should know this in detail. So if he cannot come up with a viable explanation, then we can just document this as "even a long-standing rocket scientist and champion for Apollo was unable to come up with a viable explanation."
I would GLADLY rely upon the understanding of other scientists with much more experience with these concepts. (thermo and fluid dynamics) Let's shop this issue to the world, agree?
This is SIMPLE CONTEXT - so should take Jay very little time to assess. He only needs to assess the VIABLE possibilities.
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Despite being warned several times, it's clear that you haven't dropped your obsession with Jay.
Also, look up the logical fallacy of Appeal From Authority.
ApolloEnthusiast:
--- Quote from: najak on January 08, 2025, 03:39:59 AM ---I would GLADLY rely upon the understanding of other scientists with much more experience with these concepts. (thermo and fluid dynamics)
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Would you though? You're on the record here over and over arguing with rocket scientists about their field. You're on the record here over and over insisting that scientists and engineers with more experience than you have were wrong in the way they developed the LM, for no better reason than it isn't the way you would have done it. There is zero indication that you would rely on someone else's expertise when it contradicts your preconceived notions, gladly or otherwise.
--- Quote ---Let's shop this issue to the world, agree?[/b]
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Do whatever you want. The question is answered to my satisfaction. Once you accept that the LM depressurization is responsible, the actual mechanics of what happened are inconsequential beyond just satisfying curiosity. But shop it to whoever you want, what's stopping you and why do you think you need other people to be on board with you?
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