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Title: Dean Armstrong
Post by: RAF on January 02, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
Dean Armstrong, Neil's brother, is making the claim that the famous "one small step" line was rehearsed months in advance, and that Neil lied about it being "spontaneous".

I didnt even know that Neil had a brother until today...which is guess is the "point".
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Jason Thompson on January 02, 2013, 02:06:07 PM
One wonders just how much rehearsal would be needed for one single line....
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Inanimate Carbon Rod on January 02, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Yeah, I read something similar here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/neil-armstrongs-one-small-step-line-2012-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/neil-armstrongs-one-small-step-line-2012-12)

I personally don't believe Dean Armstrong's statement. Neil had no reason to lie about it. Also Deke Slayton, in his excellent biography, said that Neil made it up on the spot, and from what I've read about Deke there's no way he'd lie it that wasn't the case.

Also, the fact that Neil flubbed it indicates it probably was something he'd made up on the spurt of the moment.
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Echnaton on January 02, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
The BBC documentary in which the quote claim appears is apparently available here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pm9l3) to those in the U.K. or those of us with a VPN exit in the U.K. 
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Inanimate Carbon Rod on January 03, 2013, 06:13:02 AM
The BBC documentary in which the quote claim appears is apparently available here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pm9l3) to those in the U.K. or those of us with a VPN exit in the U.K.

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Dinorupe on January 04, 2013, 05:38:37 AM
You couldnt top those words,they should be spoken every time a human lands on a new celestial body,as a tribute to those before them and also because its profound yet short!
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Donnie B. on January 04, 2013, 04:30:07 PM
Well, I'd probably change "man" to "a man"... ;)

or maybe "a person".
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Echnaton on January 04, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
I wonder it Dean just conflated various memories from years ago into a what is now a made up memory.  Relating a real conversation with Neil before the flight to the actual event and possibly conversations afterwards.  Dramatically different recollections of events and conversations have happened often enough between me and my brother.    And we all know how memories of stories change to put ourselves into more prominent positions in each retelling.  It is just hard to give much credibility to a story that old without something to independently document the actual event. 
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Inanimate Carbon Rod on January 04, 2013, 08:16:08 PM
Well, I'd probably change "man" to "a man"... ;)

or maybe "a person".

What about human and humanity?
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Donnie B. on January 04, 2013, 09:14:59 PM
Well, I'd probably change "man" to "a man"... ;)

or maybe "a person".

What about human and humanity?

Bloody speciesist!  :)
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: ka9q on January 05, 2013, 03:59:53 AM
Bloody speciesist!  :)
Well, what term would you use instead? Hominid? Primate? Mammal? Eukaryote? That still limits it to a small fraction of all the life forms on earth...
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Andromeda on January 05, 2013, 04:56:06 AM
Bloody speciesist!  :)
Well, what term would you use instead? Hominid? Primate? Mammal? Eukaryote? That still limits it to a small fraction of all the life forms on earth...

"Terran life-form"?!  ;D
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Dinorupe on January 05, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
How about 'That one small step for beings descended from apes OR created in Gods image,one giant leap for afforementioned kind'   :P
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Echnaton on January 05, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
This is getting way to complicated.  How about "I am just happy to be here!"
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Donnie B. on January 05, 2013, 03:01:59 PM
Or, as one wag has it, "Hey!  I'm on the [freakin'] Moon!"
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: ka9q on January 05, 2013, 10:47:49 PM
Or, "That may have been a short one for Neil, but it was a long one for me!"
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Peter B on January 06, 2013, 01:43:50 AM
Dean Armstrong, Neil's brother, is making the claim that the famous "one small step" line was rehearsed months in advance, and that Neil lied about it being "spontaneous".

I didnt even know that Neil had a brother until today...which is guess is the "point".
Yeah, well, according to this account, the line was made up by a British engineer working in Australia on Apollo:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-22/engineer-claims-one-small-step-line/1363120

In addition to the then Tidbinbilla Tracking Station Director dismissing the idea (as described in the article), I remember John Saxon and Mike Dinn dismissing it at the Apollo 11 40th anniversary events.
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: ka9q on January 06, 2013, 05:51:31 AM
It does seem funny that this story would come out only now, when Neil is no longer around to refute it.
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Count Zero on January 06, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
Well, I'd probably change "man" to "a man"... ;)

or maybe "a person".

What about human and humanity?

That's why the original line works better in french.  There's no ambiguity:

 « C'est un petit pas pour un homme, mais un bond de géant pour l'humanité »
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Echnaton on January 07, 2013, 07:13:20 AM
That's why the original line works better in french.  There's no ambiguity:

 « C'est un petit pas pour un homme, mais un bond de géant pour l'humanité »

But no flag waving, freedom fry loving American would ever let that happen.
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Obviousman on January 07, 2013, 10:51:38 PM
My absolute favourite 'never was' line was the one suggested by an unnamed astronaut:

"If you guys had any balls, you'd shout WHAT THE HELL IS THAT then shut off your suit mikes!"
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Echnaton on January 08, 2013, 05:15:32 AM
What the kooks and crackpots would have done with that simply boggles the mind. 
Title: Re: Dean Armstrong
Post by: Peter B on January 08, 2013, 05:51:04 AM
What the kooks and crackpots would have done with that simply boggles the mind.
Heh. What would they have done if Conrad and Bean had used their camera self-timer on Apollo 12 to take a couple of piccies...

(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/A12LifeCover.jpg)