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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: RAF on February 26, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
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I posted on JREF regarding the sockpuppetry of Patrick1000/fatfreddy. I received a PM from a mod saying that they took sockpuppetry very seriously, and they had found no evidence that Patrick100/fatfreddy were the same person.
Is there one or two posts where Patricks sockpuppetry can be demonstrated?
Thanks....
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The only thing we really have to go on is the similarity of the claims he makes using these multiple identities.
The problem is that he uses proxy servers, so his IP address is different every time he creates a new identity. It makes it difficult to determine if it is really him, or just someone who happens to agree with him. I know it's hard to believe that it's even possible for anyone to agree with him, but I need to be reasonably certain it's him before I'll ban him.
So my point is that I can sort of understand the reluctance other forum moderators feel when it comes to declaring someone a sock puppet. It comes down to judging whether the posting styles are similar enough or not, and that isn't easy. I've already made the mistake of banning someone who I thought was a sock puppet simply because of the way they quoted Fattydash, and it's not the kind of mistake I want to make again.
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I see...I was under the impression that there was something more "concrete" than just opinion....my error....
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No, he's definitely the same poster, and people have been pointing this out freely on the moderated thread. But it's irrelevant because he's only posted under one handle on JREF. I don't think sock-puppetry on other forums counts.
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That's what the dispute was about....he has posted as both Patrick1000, and fatfreddy on the JREF.
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I posted on JREF regarding the sockpuppetry of Patrick1000/fatfreddy. I received a PM from a mod saying that they took sockpuppetry very seriously, and they had found no evidence that Patrick100/fatfreddy were the same person.
Is there one or two posts where Patricks sockpuppetry can be demonstrated?
Thanks....
Fatfreddy is clearly "cosmic" Dave. Looking at his posts you can see that Patrick is nothing like him.
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That's what the dispute was about....he has posted as both Patrick1000, and fatfreddy on the JREF.
Sorry, I screwed up. I was thinking of fattydash, not FatFreddy88 (aka, DavidC, rocky, etc.)
No, I am quite sure FF88 and Patrick1000/fattydash/etc. are not the same poster. The former is a full-fledged crackpot, but really seems to believe his paranoid fantasy. The latter is simply a troll who craves attention from grown-ups.
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Sorry, I screwed up. I was thinking of fattydash, not FatFreddy88 (aka, DavidC, rocky, etc.)
Oh, crap...that's exactly what I did...no wonder I was so confused.
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Yes, I got a little confused between fattydash and FatFreddy88 at first, but I think the "feel" of them is different (plus, I believe FF88 has been around JREF for some time).
I don't think Patrick is a troll in the sense that he is making things up *solely* for attention. I think he likes the fantasy of being a top investigator/doctor/bicyclist/what's next, and if he knows, deep down, that he's not one, he tells himself he's "as good as they are, even if I don't have the degree". His ego is such that he really believes that he has found proof of fraud, even if he knows he plays fast and loose with his evidence and credentials. It's fascinating, and a little sad.
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Yes, I got a little confused between fattydash and FatFreddy88 at first, but I think the "feel" of them is different (plus, I believe FF88 has been around JREF for some time).
I don't think Patrick is a troll in the sense that he is making things up *solely* to annoy the grownups. I think he likes the fantasy of being a top investigator/doctor/bicyclist/what's next, and if he knows, deep down, that he's not one, he tells himself he's "as good as they are, even if I don't have the degree". His ego is such that he really believes that he has found proof of fraud, even if he knows he plays fast and loose with his evidence and credentials. It's fascinating, and a little sad.
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Ack, how do you delete double posts?
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You can't; post-deleting has been disabled, for some reason . . . .
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It's fascinating, and a little sad.
And it's over, fatpatty managed to get banned.
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A very educational thread...too bad Patrick didn't choose to benefit from any of it.
He did link to a youtube video, which sure appears to have been made by him. I watched it just the other day, talk about an angry kid! He certainly isn't a doctor, nor any other profession, and really has serious anger issues.
It's obvious he is way too smart to have anyone try to teach him anything... :( But, again, a very educational thread over there.
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You can't; post-deleting has been disabled, for some reason . . . .
Wonder why ... :D
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It appears that Patrick, on his banning at JREF, tore off to register a sock at BAUT (complete with claims of medical expertise, and too much detail), and was quickly dispatched.
Promoting the hoax theory appears to be some sort of obsession for him. It's a shame, because he seems to be much more scientifically literate than many hoax proponents, but even though he has the tools at hand, he refuses to use them.
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Obsession is a key word here.
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What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
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Promoting the hoax theory appears to be some sort of obsession for him.
No, I think for him it's about getting attention. He has posted on a number of topics, all of which he's equally misinformed about. I smell a profound inferiority complex.
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Claimed to be an ear/nose/throat doctor, (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/129818-I-really-do-believe-we-are-on-to-something) and claimed that there was no cure for Meniere's disease, which is what got Alan Shepard grounded. Shepard was treated successfully and flew on Apollo 14.
Fred
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What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
Apparently threatened JREF with legal action, but no further details are available. Even so, I'm certain that it was just as empty as his threats against Apollo astronauts and engineers - just an angry, childish person ranting away in anonymity.
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There are plenty of woowoo sites that would love to have him as a member. Why does he seem to infest only serious sites?
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Because there he is just one of the crowd, but here he gets attention.
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There are plenty of woowoo sites that would love to have him as a member. Why does he seem to infest only serious sites?
You wouldn't expect other woo sites to disagree. He prefers venues where he can provoke.
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I think, also, on woo sites, Patrick would simply be one of a crowd. People wouldn't argue with him because they are more interested in arguing *their* theories.
One can imagine him going "Lick Observatory! I've cracked the case - here, look!" and everyone else on the board going, "Ummm, too complicated, don't understand the numbers, and besides, here's MY proof that the Moon is an orbiting space turtle, and that the astronauts couldn't have landed because they couldn't get through its invisible shell."
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Claimed to be an ear/nose/throat doctor, (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/129818-I-really-do-believe-we-are-on-to-something) and claimed that there was no cure for Meniere's disease, which is what got Alan Shepard grounded. Shepard was treated successfully and flew on Apollo 14.
Fred
And as I mentioned, that makes no sense in the context of a conspiracy theory.
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That's because the exercise is not, "I have evidence that Apollo was faked." The exercise is, "I'm going to show you how much smarter I am than you."
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He's not doing the exercise very well, is he? :)
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Neither exercise, as a matter of fact. All he's demonstrated is his stamina when it comes to typing walls of text.
Fred
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What is weird is people who really are so sad as to think they're being smart by spending their time just trying annoy people like us.
On another forum, a troll dropped in to insult a poster as sad for posting pictures of a skyscraper under construction. Then he proceeds to spam a page of obscene posts. Who's the sad one?
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What did he do? Had a quick look see but it was a link to a members only section?
Apparently threatened JREF with legal action, but no further details are available. Even so, I'm certain that it was just as empty as his threats against Apollo astronauts and engineers - just an angry, childish person ranting away in anonymity.
Thanks. I should sign up for jref.