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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 10, 2025, 05:07:56 PM »
The above Stellarium screenshot has been pointed out to the little doggy. He has dismissed it, because he has this idea that Stellarium references the horizon in the picture, not the true horizon. He's absolutely deluded in that, because all the scenery consists of is a png file. There's nothing in it for the software to reference other than it's location on the lunar surface. The figures it is quoting are from a datum. The standard issue of Stellarium (as I pointed out earlier) has the Apollo 17 site incorrectly plotted and it will still give the same values as the one in my corrected model.

He has never used the software, and has no idea how it works. Just to please him, however, here's exactly the same location and date with zero landscape.



He's also claimed that there are functions in the LRO's quickmap that can show the Earth in the lunar sky, and that it shows Earth at 70 degrees,

It does not. You can display an image of Earth with data describing its location, but it doesn't place it in the correct location.

Here's a snip from a recording I made of Taurus Littrow with the date set at the Apollo 17 EVA, and with the Earth showing. The elevation angle is blurry, but it is very definitely around 44 degrees. It's kind of ironic that straydog02 is putting such faith in the accuracy and fidelity of the LRO when elsewhere he's claiming it's all faked.



Fetch doggy, fetch.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by Peter B on December 10, 2025, 03:39:34 PM »
If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Heh, I read your reply and I'm like, "isn't that what I said?". Scroll back up.... nope, I wrote "right", when in my head I was saying "left".......... Is it Friday yet?

:-)
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 10, 2025, 04:26:43 AM »
If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Heh, I read your reply and I'm like, "isn't that what I said?". Scroll back up.... nope, I wrote "right", when in my head I was saying "left".......... Is it Friday yet?
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 10, 2025, 02:57:38 AM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

Attached is a similar view from the LRO, which the body parts circled!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by Mag40 on December 10, 2025, 12:13:52 AM »
and here it is in close-up:

If I'm not mistaken, that big crater straight in front of him is this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaeus_%28lunar_crater%29
Ptolemaeus - Type: Crater - Diameter: 153.669 km

Looks to be about 1.4m round - give or take.

Now for all those HBs who suggest NASA used something this massive to fake anything:

A crater 1.53 kilometres across is going to be 1.4 centimetres wide.
A crater 153 metres across is going to be 1.4 millimetres wide.

Armstrong visited Little West Crater.
Little West Crater is 30m across, that would be 0.28 millimetres wide!

Here it is on the landing approach video against Google Moon:


That "big" crater has hundreds of tiny ones, some less than a metre wide, which on that scale would be about
a hundredth of a millimetre!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by Peter B on December 10, 2025, 12:13:44 AM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Let's see if I can load a picture...

ETA: Nope.

I have a PDF. Is it possible to upload that into the post? If so, could someone please explain how? Thank you!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 09, 2025, 10:34:22 PM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?
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I saw that post (made a copy in case it disappeared), but haven't commented, I don't really see the point in drumming it in.

It is curious that is took someone pointing out that the commentator referenced players who weren't in the same team together until 1969, and even then there was push back, for Jarrah to finally do some due diligence. Classic confirmation bias, that we must all be aware of, in that he has found the first clip, and stopped there, since it confirmed his preconceived notions. What probably should have been done was to find other sources that supported the first.

Still, it is what it is, and another hoax claim continues to crumble.

But yeah, that last comment is the true level of his "integrity".
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 08, 2025, 12:59:27 PM »
Straydog02 has found this panorama

https://moonpans.com/vr/apollo17_eva3.htm?r=j

which he thinks proves that Apollo 17's Earth was high in the sky.

It hasn't occurred to him that the black in the moonpans sky might be filled in.

Here's the actual pan



Here's a photo taken at the LM



and here's that photo superimposed on the pan.



Looking a lot like how Stellarium says it should:

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Jarrah has now conceded that he was mistaken when attributing the phrase 'slam dunk' to a period before the Apollo missions. With the good grace and humility we've come to expect, he manages to make it all about how his opponents didn't link to his video in their "echo chambers" becaue, well, you know, we have to do his bidding or something.

It is, again, a moot point: There never was an Operation Slam Dunk, it was a complete fabrication from start to finish. It doesn't matter when the term originated, LBJ never employed it. Prove me wrong.
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