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Off Topic => General Discussion => Topic started by: mako88sb on January 28, 2016, 04:36:56 PM
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Hard to believe it's been 30 years already. I was looking over some blueprints with a draftsman and heard on his radio the breaking news. I went into the main office and told everybody about it. One guy just laughed as he put his walk-man headphones on. He thought I was joking but his face transformed instantly when he heard it as well. Much like 9/11, I was in a bit of a daze for awhile.
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I'd been out all day so hadn't heard about it. I turned the TV on when I got home and the news was showing footage of the launch. I sat down to watch it, not expecting anything unusual to happen. It was like a punch in the gut when it did.
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I was on a job in South Texas and there was a delay in starting work that morning and I was still in my motel room watching TV. I caught the final minutes of the countdown to launch. I like others who watched saw the disaster live, with the PA anouncing flight parameters after the obvious to the viewers what was being announced was sripted. I sat in shock knowing the crew was likely not going to survive.
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My brain at least thinks it remembers very clearly the columns of smoke going in different directions. I may have confabulated it though, because I would have been watching it on TV with my class in school. You people are making me feel young at least.
Sad day for the space program.
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Its one of those moments in history that I will always remember where I was when I first heard about it.
I was still in the Air Force at the time, and I had been playing cricket for Woobourne AFB against Te Rapa AFB at Hamilton in the Inter-Station One-Day Cricket competition. We walked into the cafeteria during the lunch break, and the chap behind the counter said "Did you guys hear that the shuttle exploded?"
Now you have to understand that to most RNZAF personnel "the shuttle" was a scheduled military flight that ran daily up and down the country from Whenuapai AFB in the north to Wigram AFB in the south; usually a C-130 or an HS 780. The RNZAF is such a small service that the chances of knowing someone in such a crash are quite high. My immediate thought, which I vocalised out loud was something t the effect the... "I hope there wasn't anyone we know on board" The chap behind the counter looked at me strangely... then realised.... "No. the space shuttle, it blew up!!"
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I was in grade 5 at the time. We didn't watch the launch in class, fortunately. I found out about it from a school crossing guard when I was walking home during my lunch break.
I was only 10 years old, but I remember all of the publicity for the teacher in space program prior to the launch, watching the explosion over and over again on TV, the search for debris afterwards, and President Reagan's address. It's hard to believe it has been 30 years.
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I was a sophomore in high school in a Graphic Arts class at the time , and we always had the radio tuned to a local rock station. They broke into whatever song was playing and announced it on the air. I remember we all just sat there in stunned silence. Afterwards for whatever reason I kept looking at the sky that day, I can still remember the cloud patterns I saw. Weird, huh?
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Afterwards for whatever reason I kept looking at the sky that day, I can still remember the cloud patterns I saw. Weird, huh?
For a long time afterwards the contrails from airplanes would remind me of Challenger.
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I was having my morning shower listening to the news on the radio. They way they described it I thought "maybe someone got out". I finished my shower, told my wife and then went and switched on the TV. I immediately realised that nobody could have survived.
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I was in third grade. I was running an errand for the teacher or something; I don't remember exactly what, but I was out of class. The aide from my second grade class saw me. She stopped me to tell me about it, because she thought I would care. She was right, too. Simon's godmother's dad was one of the finalists, too.
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I was in college when a classmate ran through our commons and told me as he passed. Later, I worked with a guy who had been a FDO for that mission.
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I was one of the few people who saw it live, on CNN. None of the other networks carried it, and we didn't have NASA TV on cable. I hadn't tired of watching launches yet, so that day I delayed going into work so I could watch the launch from home.
The most surreal parts for me were the commentator's routine recitation of altitude and speed just after the breakup, and later the audible background whine in the audio as no one spoke for a long time.
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I was a junior in college then. My then-girlfriend and I decided to play hooky from school and spend the day lazing around the house in sweats, watching TV, being lazy and doing little else because it was so bloody cold outside. We were also watching it on CNN, and I don't remember anything else that happened that day.
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The first I heard about the accident was actually reporting of people's reaction to the accident on the evening news. This was very puzzling to me because it was initially unclear to me exactly what people were reacting to.
I'd read the paper in the morning, which at best may have had a brief article about the impending launch. But then I saw and heard no news during the day until the evening news at 7pm.
The thing is that the launch was at about 2.30am local time, so I was asleep at the time, and well after the morning newspaper had been printed. By not hearing or seeing any news during the day, it was something like 16 hours after the accident before I knew anything about it.
By contrast I first heard about the Columbia accident about 8 hours after the fact.
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The thing is that the launch was at about 2.30am local time, so I was asleep at the time, and well after the morning newspaper had been printed. By not hearing or seeing any news during the day, it was something like 16 hours after the accident before I knew anything about it.
My memory of it was a friend who worked at Boeing developing the stealth technology calling me saying, "The Shuttle just blew up right after launch." I said, "Oh no, we lost the teacher." He responded with, "Teacher hell, we lost the Shuttle," to which I said, "Well that's a difference between us; I grieve first for the human loss and you grieve for the material loss." Yes, my first thought was of the children in classrooms watching as their brave roll model gave her life for exploration and education. And the bloodthirsty media kept showing the shocked disbelief of her parents as it turned to realization and horror. What a terrible day that was.
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The thing is that the launch was at about 2.30am local time, so I was asleep at the time, and well after the morning newspaper had been printed. By not hearing or seeing any news during the day, it was something like 16 hours after the accident before I knew anything about it.
My memory of it was a friend who worked at Boeing developing the stealth technology calling me saying, "The Shuttle just blew up right after launch." I said, "Oh no, we lost the teacher." He responded with, "Teacher hell, we lost the Shuttle," to which I said, "Well that's a difference between us; I grieve first for the human loss and you grieve for the material loss." Yes, my first thought was of the children in classrooms watching as their brave roll model gave her life for exploration and education. And the bloodthirsty media kept showing the shocked disbelief of her parents as it turned to realization and horror. What a terrible day that was.
The bloodthirsty media STILL keeps showing the reaction of her parents. Of all the horrible moments of that day, I think that one could have remained a private one. Alas, if it bleeds it leads.
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I wasn't alive at the time, but I fairly recently saw both some home video of Christa McAuliffe's backup watching the launch and the live CNN coverage of the launch and, when it happened, the disaster.
My first reaction besides sorrow and horror was, 'So, this is what a time traveller feels'.
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astro-nots who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astronauts who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
It's ridiculous and discussion of it has no place here. Show a little respect.
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astronauts who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
Total BS, troll
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People also claim they've seen Elvis alive.
It's just a hunka, hunka burning shit! >:(
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astronauts who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
Whoopee. They found some people who look a little similar but not close enough for people that really look to think they are the same. I guess we know which camp you're in.
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astronauts who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
Whoopee. They found some people who look a little similar but not close enough for people that really look to think they are the same. I guess we know which camp you're in.
It's not just some people that look similar. In some cases, those people are brothers of the astronauts. It's one of the stupidest conspiracy theories I've ever heard of, and tradosaurus should be ashamed of himself for posting it in this thread.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/challenger.asp
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What is this "shame"?
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What is this "shame"?
Something I think politicians and conspiracy theorists must be genetically incapable of.
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What is your opinion on the claim that the shuttle astronauts who "died" have been found living today?
https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60 (https://youtu.be/4HQSptqjp60)
As Snopes points out, those people alive today all have verifiable pasts which go back to before the Challenger accident. In addition, why would NASA let these people live under the same surnames and in some cases even the same name (for example Judith Resnik) after they've supposedly died in the Challenger accident. It's not just that the claim is verifiably untrue, it doesn't even make sense.
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Right, which makes it so different from everything else he believes.
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As Snopes points out, those people alive today all have verifiable pasts which go back to before the Challenger accident. In addition, why would NASA let these people live under the same surnames and in some cases even the same name (for example Judith Resnik) after they've supposedly died in the Challenger accident. It's not just that the claim is verifiably untrue, it doesn't even make sense.
The Witness Protection Program does a better job than that! Besides, this claim conflicts with the claim they were killed to keep the whole 'no stars' idea alive. Both claims are bogus, but it just shows how contradictory conspiracy theories tend to be, as if more evidence was needed!
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The most surreal parts for me were the commentator's routine recitation of altitude and speed just after the breakup, and later the audible background whine in the audio as no one spoke for a long time.
Yes, I remember that. I think I just saw a recording, but I felt like yelling "Don't you see it isn't there any more?"
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No, they didn't. They didn't have live video, just telemetry.
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I was 1 so puked up my mushed carrots when I heard and threw my cuddly frog across the room. Maybe.
I remember Columbia though. We'd just got back from visiting my grandfather in Bournemouth and the first inkling was when I saw a thread on BABB saying contact had been been lost. I immediately went to the TV to see if it was being covered and indeed it was the only story on BBC News 24.
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Buggered my whole week. So sad.
Then Columbia!
Per Ardua ad Astra!
Too often we forget, these things are, barely, controlled bombs!
Sloop!
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I was working for BT in London, I used to dial up the live launch number in the US, as our phones were un-metered, and listen to launches. Never forget the disbelief when I told the others in the office, that the orbiter had exploded. I went home early that day just to listen to the news reports.
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As Snopes points out, those people alive today all have verifiable pasts which go back to before the Challenger accident. In addition, why would NASA let these people live under the same surnames and in some cases even the same name (for example Judith Resnik) after they've supposedly died in the Challenger accident. It's not just that the claim is verifiably untrue, it doesn't even make sense.
And look at 0:59 in that video - - that's a picture of Laurel Clark NOT Christa McAuliffe. The idiot who made the video and the gullible CT chumps who fell for it didn't even bother to notice the name badge on her flight suit. So, in a single video, the CTers think Sharon "Christa" McAuliffe looks exactly like two separate people who don't even look like each other and who have a 13 year difference in age. I've also found some mid 1980s photos of law professor Resnick - she doesn't look anything like astronaut Resnick at that time AND was publicly giving evidence to a judicial appointments committee in Washington. And look at the gap in "Ron McNair's" teeth. The real Ron didn't have that, but his brother Carl does.
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As Snopes points out, those people alive today all have verifiable pasts which go back to before the Challenger accident. In addition, why would NASA let these people live under the same surnames and in some cases even the same name (for example Judith Resnik) after they've supposedly died in the Challenger accident. It's not just that the claim is verifiably untrue, it doesn't even make sense.
And look at 0:59 in that video - - that's a picture of Laurel Clark NOT Christa McAuliffe. The idiot who made the video and the gullible CT chumps who fell for it didn't even bother to notice the name badge on her flight suit. So, in a single video, the CTers think Sharon "Christa" McAuliffe looks exactly like two separate people who don't even look like each other and who have a 13 year difference in age. I've also found some mid 1980s photos of law professor Resnick - she doesn't look anything like astronaut Resnick at that time AND was publicly giving evidence to a judicial appointments committee in Washington. And look at the gap in "Ron McNair's" teeth. The real Ron didn't have that, but his brother Carl does.
I don't understand the constant bashing of NASA, from the FE to the Moon hoaxers, to this nonsense. I guess the CT's have to have a target of opportunity.
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It's guv'ment. That makes it an easy target.
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It's guv'ment. That makes it an easy target.
Correct, but it seems odd, but maybe that is because I'm as old as dirt. We were taught to respect the government when I was a youngster.
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Correct, but it seems odd, but maybe that is because I'm as old as dirt. We were taught to respect the government when I was a youngster.
Maybe so, but it's hardly as though people younger than you invented mistrust of government. For one, you have to admit that a fair few people in government have done untrustworthy things; ask Richard Nixon. That said, it's hardly as though Watergate created the concept of distrusting government. That's definitely a "same as it ever was." I'm pretty sure they tried to teach us to respect the government, too, but then when I was in high school, Clinton apologized for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. A lot of my generation reacts to the government with an attitude of "trust, but verify."
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Correct, but it seems odd, but maybe that is because I'm as old as dirt. We were taught to respect the government when I was a youngster.
Maybe so, but it's hardly as though people younger than you invented mistrust of government. For one, you have to admit that a fair few people in government have done untrustworthy things; ask Richard Nixon. That said, it's hardly as though Watergate created the concept of distrusting government. That's definitely a "same as it ever was." I'm pretty sure they tried to teach us to respect the government, too, but then when I was in high school, Clinton apologized for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. A lot of my generation reacts to the government with an attitude of "trust, but verify."
I'll go with "trust, but verify.", but verification should be facts not BS.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
Well, I think we can, in a way, it's just that the youth who were interested in it in the 2nd wave (created just after 9/11 I hypothesise) have grown up, and the current crop just isn't interested.
It's important to note that some people seem to take things like this as more a political opinion more than truth, like "Oh, you think the US government is great? Well, guess what, they faked the moon landings!"
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
He's been at it for 6 years and doesn't even have a 1000 subs yet. The more well known Jarrah White has been at it for 8 years and has about 6500 subs. The young lady with the Vintage Space channel has over 40,000 subs after only 3 years. Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
He's been at it for 6 years and doesn't even have a 1000 subs yet. The more well known Jarrah White has been at it for 8 years and has about 6500 subs. The young lady with the Vintage Space channel has over 40,000 subs after only 3 years. Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
Perhaps not gaining, but not dying either.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
He's been at it for 6 years and doesn't even have a 1000 subs yet. The more well known Jarrah White has been at it for 8 years and has about 6500 subs. The young lady with the Vintage Space channel has over 40,000 subs after only 3 years. Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
Is that that Amy Shira Tietal (spelling?) channel? I like her, she keeps her videos short and to the point, and her enthusiasm for the subject is infectious. Nice to see someone her age doing something useful with history rather than trying to tear it down.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
He's been at it for 6 years and doesn't even have a 1000 subs yet. The more well known Jarrah White has been at it for 8 years and has about 6500 subs. The young lady with the Vintage Space channel has over 40,000 subs after only 3 years. Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
Perhaps not gaining, but not dying either.
True but I think it's an insignificant percentage of people. There's always going to be a small group that feels the need to go against the popular or widely held fact based histories of every country. For all the effort Jarrah, Hunchbacked and others have put into their videos, the gain has been pretty negligible. Now that Jarrah has pissed off a lot of his fan base for showing enthusiastic support for SpaceX, I think his impact is going to be even less effective then before.
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Absolutely. But hoax belief is dying out, meaning that the younger generation is actually less likely to believe it than their elders. So you can't blame believing BS on youth.
I'm not as sure about that as you are.
What part?
The dying out part. On this board the activity seems to be less but on YT it is still active. In fact hunchback recently posted two videos and there are others.
He's been at it for 6 years and doesn't even have a 1000 subs yet. The more well known Jarrah White has been at it for 8 years and has about 6500 subs. The young lady with the Vintage Space channel has over 40,000 subs after only 3 years. Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
Is that that Amy Shira Tietal (spelling?) channel? I like her, she keeps her videos short and to the point, and her enthusiasm for the subject is infectious. Nice to see someone her age doing something useful with history rather than trying to tear it down.
Yes, that's her. I got her book recently and have found it pretty informative. Of course it wouldn't take much seeing as the only other early rocket history book I ever read was about Robert Goddard and that was probably 40 years ago.
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I've read entire books about conspiracism that don't even mention the subject. I checked the index both times. Nothing. I've encountered one or two HBs in the wild, but nowhere near as many people as "have questions" about 9/11 or don't believe in the Lone Gunman. It just doesn't have traction.
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Is that that Amy Shira Tietal (spelling?) channel? I like her, she keeps her videos short and to the point, and her enthusiasm for the subject is infectious. Nice to see someone her age doing something useful with history rather than trying to tear it down.
She is great... I am one of the 40,000 subs/fans
She writes for a number of news and science publications, including Universe Today, Discovery News Space and the Guardian. She was an "embedded journalist" in the New Horizons mission to Pluto, and has written a book called called "Breaking the Chains of Gravity: The Story of Spaceflight before NASA".
The only thing I find is that she sometimes speaks too fast and has a somewhat annoying "twang" in her voice (New Yorker perhaps?). However, its just a small criticism. It difficult to fault her knowledge, and you cannot fault her enthusiasm. Also, she has a skill that is distinctly lacking in your average HB; the ability to research her subject thoroughly.
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....Then there was the Moon Hoax Not video that blew away all of both Hunchbacked and Jarrahs combined videos when it came to viewer count in a pretty short time frame. It doesn't seem to me like the moon landing hoax theory is gaining any meaningful ground.
Point well made
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True but I think it's an insignificant percentage of people. There's always going to be a small group that feels the need to go against the popular or widely held fact based histories of every country. For all the effort Jarrah, Hunchbacked and others have put into their videos, the gain has been pretty negligible. Now that Jarrah has pissed off a lot of his fan base for showing enthusiastic support for SpaceX, I think his impact is going to be even less effective then before.
LOL was JW ever effective? They may not be in great numbers but make up with bravado.
I have watched several of Amy's videos and they are good. :)
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True but I think it's an insignificant percentage of people. There's always going to be a small group that feels the need to go against the popular or widely held fact based histories of every country. For all the effort Jarrah, Hunchbacked and others have put into their videos, the gain has been pretty negligible. Now that Jarrah has pissed off a lot of his fan base for showing enthusiastic support for SpaceX, I think his impact is going to be even less effective then before.
LOL was JW ever effective? They may not be in great numbers but make up with bravado.
I have watched several of Amy's videos and they are good. :)
Your right. I'm probably overestimating his overall impact. Most of the fans he's attracted are of the kind of mentality that refuse to believe rockets can work in a vacuum. A big part of the reason there seems to be quite the backlash for his SpaceX video.
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True but I think it's an insignificant percentage of people. There's always going to be a small group that feels the need to go against the popular or widely held fact based histories of every country. For all the effort Jarrah, Hunchbacked and others have put into their videos, the gain has been pretty negligible. Now that Jarrah has pissed off a lot of his fan base for showing enthusiastic support for SpaceX, I think his impact is going to be even less effective then before.
LOL was JW ever effective? They may not be in great numbers but make up with bravado.
I have watched several of Amy's videos and they are good. :)
Your right. I'm probably overestimating his overall impact. Most of the fans he's attracted are of the kind of mentality that refuse to believe rockets can work in a vacuum. A big part of the reason there seems to be quite the backlash for his SpaceX video.
I haven't watched any of his videos since I watched the Apollo 1 series. I was disgusted but only posted taking comments out of context (one of his favorite procedures), he immediately posted back denying and linking a book that alleged NASA/CIA collaboration especially with John Glenn's orbital mission. He demanded an apology and retraction, neither of which he got.
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True but I think it's an insignificant percentage of people. There's always going to be a small group that feels the need to go against the popular or widely held fact based histories of every country. For all the effort Jarrah, Hunchbacked and others have put into their videos, the gain has been pretty negligible. Now that Jarrah has pissed off a lot of his fan base for showing enthusiastic support for SpaceX, I think his impact is going to be even less effective then before.
LOL was JW ever effective? They may not be in great numbers but make up with bravado.
I have watched several of Amy's videos and they are good. :)
Your right. I'm probably overestimating his overall impact. Most of the fans he's attracted are of the kind of mentality that refuse to believe rockets can work in a vacuum. A big part of the reason there seems to be quite the backlash for his SpaceX video.
I hadn't checked on Jarrah's site for a few months. I see he hasn't posted any videos about the 2 successful Falcon 9 drone ship landings. Seeing how exicited he was with the first Falcon 9 landing, it looks like the backlash from those very upset fans has left a lasting impression with him. lol
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Like the vast majority of HB, he is incredibly thin-skinned and cannot take any criticism of his beliefs
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Like the vast majority of HB, he is incredibly thin-skinned and cannot take any criticism of his beliefs
Yes, my interaction with him showed the thin-skinned nature when his research, or lack thereof, leads to mis- interpreting results. When called out, he immediately jumps to defend his proposition with name calling and/or shifting the argument.
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Like the vast majority of HB, he is incredibly thin-skinned and cannot take any criticism of his beliefs
This is where you need a "LIKE!!!!!" button on this forum.
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Like the vast majority of HB, he is incredibly thin-skinned and cannot take any criticism of his beliefs
This is where you need a "LIKE!!!!!" button on this forum.
Quit hiding your feelings, how do you really feel about the thread? :)