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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: Trebor on September 19, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
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I'm sure this one has come up before, but I have a HB complaining about the 'similar' backgrounds in AS15-82-11082 (http://"http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11082.jpg") and AS15-82-11057 (http://"http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11057.jpg").
As far as I can tell 11057 was shot from station 8 where they set up the ALSEP and 11082 was shot from station 9; about 1.4 km from the LM.
Would the LM even be visible from station 9? I seem to recall it was not but my memory is fuzzy.
And does anyone know what the approximate distances to the mountains are?
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Found this thread which seems relevant:
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1146.msg38862#msg38862 (http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1146.msg38862#msg38862)
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Here is the topo map of the EVAs.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg)
At station 9 there is a honking great 30 meter ridge between the astronauts and the LM. 11082 couldn't possibly show the LM unless your hoaxer wants to claim Hasselblads are x-ray capable.
In contrast, 11057 was taken just as they were leaving the LM from the position of the ALSEP. No ridge in the way.
Additionally, 11057 was taken at the start of EVA-3. Station 8 was on EVA-2.
How far to the mountains from station? 4 kilometers or so from the topo map scale as a quick stab. (pure guesstimate by eye)
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Here is the topo map of the EVAs.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg)
Thanks for that, that map is superb.
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Here is the topo map of the EVAs.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LRVTrav1971.jpg)
Thanks for that, that map is superb.
No probs. In fact, 11082 actually confirms the ridgeline sloping upwards left to right roughly along the second row of crosshairs.
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If it helps your arguments here is the same image with brightness/contrast adjusted. Makes the ridgeline stand out.
(http://i.imgur.com/i3DJIc7.jpg)
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I'm sure this one has come up before, but I have a HB complaining about the 'similar' backgrounds in AS15-82-11082 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11082.jpg) and AS15-82-11057 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11057.jpg).
What is the HB's problem with the backgrounds, exactly? "Similar"? They are the same hills! If he/she thinks they are a painted backdrop, then why aren't they identical, rather than just similar? If they are not, in fact, real, distant, three-dimensional hills, then why does a comparison of the two images show changes in perspective, with the ridge lines hiding portions of the hill behind? (Look particularly at the "notch" at the lowest point of the "skyline".)
(http://i.imgur.com/6tymLAX.gif)
(Note, brightness and contrast adjusted to show detail better)
Surely photos like these, showing the same backgrounds from different vantage points, are some of the best proof that they were taken in a real, vast, three-dimensional landscape?
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Yeah, this old chestnut. Parallax is no great mystery; I guess it's time for the penguin to make another appearance.
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Yeah, this old chestnut. Parallax is no great mystery; I guess it's time for the penguin to make another appearance.
Ah, Jay I have been patiently waiting for the penguin re-run. It does show the parallax in context with these A15 photos. Seem to me that the two images in question are indeed taken far apart looking at a distant object, but that they are looking in slightly different azimuths.
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As you can see, the penguin is still available.
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Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
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As you can see, the penguin is still available.
Ah. On the substitutes bench ready to be tactically deployed.
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the penguin
Burma! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyFxXdqtGNk)
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Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
Indeed, George and his husband are wonderful and very cordial people. Fans of Futurama will recognize to whom the autograph is inscribed.
Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
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the penguin
Burma! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyFxXdqtGNk)
No need to panic.
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Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
As modelled, that tea pot originally had no base, yes?
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Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
Indeed, George and his husband are wonderful and very cordial people. Fans of Futurama will recognize to whom the autograph is inscribed.
Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
No idea what meaning it has. :(
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Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
As modelled, that tea pot originally had no base, yes?
Indeed it did not.
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Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
Indeed, George and his husband are wonderful and very cordial people. Fans of Futurama will recognize to whom the autograph is inscribed.
Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
The Utah Teapot. The 3D modelled version was scaled in the vertical during a demo so it's now shorter than the real one.
3DS Max (and a number of other 3D creation tools) have the Utah teapot as one of it's primitive shapes.
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Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
Indeed, George and his husband are wonderful and very cordial people. Fans of Futurama will recognize to whom the autograph is inscribed.
Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
The Utah Teapot. The 3D modelled version was scaled in the vertical during a demo so it's now shorter than the real one.
3DS Max (and a number of other 3D creation tools) have the Utah teapot as one of it's primitive shapes.
Also known as "the sixth Platonic solid" :D
Returning to the original subject, even a cursory glance shows that the two backgrounds are not identical, so it's more a case of shooting the hoax in the foot than proving it. Yet another not very well thought through claim...
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I'm sure this one has come up before, but I have a HB complaining about the 'similar' backgrounds in AS15-82-11082 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11082.jpg) and AS15-82-11057 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11057.jpg).
What is the HB's problem with the backgrounds, exactly? "Similar"? They are the same hills! If he/she thinks they are a painted backdrop, then why aren't they identical, rather than just similar? If they are not, in fact, real, distant, three-dimensional hills, then why does a comparison of the two images show changes in perspective, with the ridge lines hiding portions of the hill behind? (Look particularly at the "notch" at the lowest point of the "skyline".)
(http://i.imgur.com/6tymLAX.gif)
(Note, brightness and contrast adjusted to show detail better)
Surely photos like these, showing the same backgrounds from different vantage points, are some of the best proof that they were taken in a real, vast, three-dimensional landscape?
Gorgeous animation. Seeing parallax illustrated like that makes the landscape feel so real. It might even have been.
Right next to Sulu, how appropriate. :)
Indeed, George and his husband are wonderful and very cordial people. Fans of Futurama will recognize to whom the autograph is inscribed.
Also, double points if you can identify the significance of the teapot.
You're too busy to be Melvar. Busy with things like stealing Melvar's stuff.
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When you've been to as many Star Trek conventions as he has, you will know that Melllvar is spelled with three Ls. ;)
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I just discovered George Takei's hilarious Amazon product reviews a few days ago. He wrote a bunch of them during the summer of 2013, but alas no more since that I could find. Most of them begin with Brad getting him said product for his birthday.
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Gorgeous animation. Seeing parallax illustrated like that makes the landscape feel so real. It might even have been.
I have a pair of red cyan 3D glasses, and I love to look at the Apollo anaglyphs with them. They really help you appreciate just how rough the terrain was, and, yes, help it feel that much more real.