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Title: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: onebigmonkey on February 11, 2025, 06:31:47 AM
Was searching for other things and came across a document I'd not seen before:

https://repository.hou.usra.edu/items/3d7cdcb1-602b-4233-bedb-c91596c83475

It's a transcript of a debrief of photography (and other EVA matters) held a week after the much more wide ranging technical debrief. It has some interesting comments on ease of mobility, surface conditions, using the camera.

There's a similar one for Apollo 16:

https://repository.hou.usra.edu/items/7c0df2e3-1f29-4e9e-a885-2a5a4e5955b5

All sorts of obscure docs on there  :)
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: TimberWolfAu on February 11, 2025, 06:13:17 PM
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: smartcooky on February 12, 2025, 02:29:39 PM
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.

Even a rank amateur photographer can tell you what "bracketing" means

https://digital-photography-school.com/bracketing-what-is-it-and-what-to-do-with-the-images/

      "Bracketing is a camera technique where you capture several different exposures of the same scene. In other words, you capture a standard image, a darker/underexposed version and a brighter/overexposed version."
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: bknight on February 12, 2025, 08:31:11 PM
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.

Even a rank amateur photographer can tell you what "bracketing" means

https://digital-photography-school.com/bracketing-what-is-it-and-what-to-do-with-the-images/

      "Bracketing is a camera technique where you capture several different exposures of the same scene. In other words, you capture a standard image, a darker/underexposed version and a brighter/overexposed version."
HBs are unconcerned with with that.  I once was arguing with one a couple of years back,  He asked me how much photography experience I had, to which I replied truthfully, none.  He replied that he would no longer discuss Apollo with someone who did not know photography.  He told me if I had any experience I would know what was "wrong" with the images.  That was that with this guy.
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: TimberWolfAu on February 13, 2025, 01:17:18 AM
He replied that he would no longer discuss Apollo with someone who did not know photography.  He told me if I had any experience I would know what was "wrong" with the images.  That was that with this guy.

The classic "If you don't know, then I can't tell you" response.
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: Zakalwe on February 13, 2025, 03:43:00 AM
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.

Even a rank amateur photographer can tell you what "bracketing" means

https://digital-photography-school.com/bracketing-what-is-it-and-what-to-do-with-the-images/

      "Bracketing is a camera technique where you capture several different exposures of the same scene. In other words, you capture a standard image, a darker/underexposed version and a brighter/overexposed version."
HBs are unconcerned with with that.  I once was arguing with one a couple of years back,  He asked me how much photography experience I had, to which I replied truthfully, none.  He replied that he would no longer discuss Apollo with someone who did not know photography.  He told me if I had any experience I would know what was "wrong" with the images.  That was that with this guy.

The simple answer to that would be to ask the photography expert how much experience he had in photography in a vacuum environment on a body whose diameter is 1/4 of Earth's.
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: bknight on February 13, 2025, 10:05:07 AM
Saw the cover page of the first link and I swear I have this one, need to check once off work.

Still, there's actually a response to a HB complaint from Apollo 11; IIRC, there's 'issues' with the photos of the plaque on the leg because one photo is too dark but the next one is well lit. The argument being 'how could Armstrong know to change the settings if they didn't develop the film until after they got back? How did he know it was too dark?', yet right at the beginning of the debrief we have Armstrong saying how if they thought the picture would be important, they took multiple with different settings.

As usual, it seems like all the answers are out there if people are willing to look.

Even a rank amateur photographer can tell you what "bracketing" means

https://digital-photography-school.com/bracketing-what-is-it-and-what-to-do-with-the-images/

      "Bracketing is a camera technique where you capture several different exposures of the same scene. In other words, you capture a standard image, a darker/underexposed version and a brighter/overexposed version."
HBs are unconcerned with with that.  I once was arguing with one a couple of years back,  He asked me how much photography experience I had, to which I replied truthfully, none.  He replied that he would no longer discuss Apollo with someone who did not know photography.  He told me if I had any experience I would know what was "wrong" with the images.  That was that with this guy.

The simple answer to that would be to ask the photography expert how much experience he had in photography in a vacuum environment on a body whose diameter is 1/4 of Earth's.
I didn't think of that at the time, so I missed a chance to put him down.  Thanks
Title: Re: Apollo 11 photography debrief
Post by: Luke Pemberton on February 17, 2025, 11:35:29 AM
Page 17 is interesting, and the 'important question' about the rocket disturbance and there being no crater.