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Off Topic => General Discussion => Topic started by: ipearse on November 12, 2014, 12:09:17 PM
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Just catching up with the news that Philae has successfully landed on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. The harpoons haven't fired, and the thruster didn't prime before separation, so let's hope it stays there! Looking forward to seeing some pictures coming down.
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Just goes to prove my old school motto was right: All is possible with effort.
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Just extraordinary
(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/11/12/1415817188428/c4211087-e2a7-4873-873c-dc1ea69d37cd-620x620.jpeg)
The Philae lander took this picture 10 km above the ‘head’ of the comet as it descended towards its landing site.
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Still fascinating :o
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
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I've been surprised how much the mainstream media have run with this.
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
Somebody in the Daily Mail tried to start something when the first photographs of the comet's surface were released a few weeks ago. It was along the lines of "Hmm. That looks very familiar. If you know what I mean."
Well, yes. Rocks and dirt probably look similar everywhere in the Solar System. Nobody was biting though.
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
Is it not an ESA project? So I think, it'll take two hours more then as usual. ;D
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
Somebody in the Daily Mail tried to start something when the first photographs of the comet's surface were released a few weeks ago. It was along the lines of "Hmm. That looks very familiar. If you know what I mean."
Well, yes. Rocks and dirt probably look similar everywhere in the Solar System. Nobody was biting though.
That view of "mountains" on the the comet I posted earlier looks nothing like lunar mountains.
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
Let me join the brigade ;D
Hey, where are the stars?
Look at the shadows!!!!
The lander can't work, because it looks tiny and weak!
Who filmed the lander?
There are no tracks! (Oh wait! Wrong mission.... sorry) ;D
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How long before the, "It's all been faked" brigade spoil the moment? :-[
While not a claim of fakery, this (http://www.governmentsecrets.com/mysterious-object-on-surface-of-rosetta-comet/) site makes "unusual" claims.
...although I don't understand what is so "mysterious" about that image.
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My friend who works at JPL posted, "Just another day at the office!"
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While not a claim of fakery, this (http://www.governmentsecrets.com/mysterious-object-on-surface-of-rosetta-comet/) site makes "unusual" claims.
...although I don't understand what is so "mysterious" about that image.
I saw this earlier today on a link I followed, with a story about how ESA are only interested in a mysterious signal from aliens coming from the comet. :) I will check my computer links in the morning if anyone is interested in this craziness. :) They are probably Lizard people from the hollow moon. :D
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While not a claim of fakery, this (http://www.governmentsecrets.com/mysterious-object-on-surface-of-rosetta-comet/) site makes "unusual" claims.
...although I don't understand what is so "mysterious" about that image.
Or, is it just like NASA wants us to believe about the “Face on Mars,” a trick of lights and shadows?
Yeah, that's not a loaded question. At all ::)
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Sat watching Mr Hoody until the video feed locked up. (people in suits then the controller in a hoody ;) ).
Superb stuff.
As for hoax claims, it is as certain as a certain thing on the planet certain during certainly certain week in the year of certain. The claims will involve the word "Hmmmm" and "looks fake" etc etc etc....
Edit. ooohhhhhh, one site has someone saying how they cannot understand how they get clear images.
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I saw this earlier today on a link I followed, with a story about how ESA are only interested in a mysterious signal from aliens coming from the comet..
Channelling Marshall Applewhite
Stealing the plot of "Life Force"
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Sat watching Mr Hoody until the video feed locked up. (people in suits then the controller in a hoody ;) ).
Superb stuff.
As for hoax claims, it is as certain as a certain thing on the planet certain during certainly certain week in the year of certain. The claims will involve the word "Hmmmm" and "looks fake" etc etc etc....
Edit. ooohhhhhh, one site has someone saying how they cannot understand how they get clear images.
The idiots at Cluesforum are already snorting in disbelief, given that NASA couldn't even launch a rocket last week.
All space is run by NASA. Even the ESA ::)
Lots of people also decrying the expense in a time of austerity. Except when it was launched it wasn't.
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and it's down again. It looks like it hasn't anchored and has bounced twice. It is now resting on the surface and they are considering deploying the anchors again, but this may push it away again.
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400+ meter bounce? Yoinks.
Hope they get this on the ground so to speak, and confirmed.
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It is down and stable :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30034060
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By the way, have you seen this?
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Must admit that some of the Beebs reporting was cringing, not their fault I suppose, most reporters and readers are jack of all trades today, seems to be a few specialised in a topic they have to talk on that is outside the norm. On the whole I am glad they dedicated a large chunk of the time around the expected landing to the event.
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This website
http://sci.esa.int/rosetta/14615-comet-67p/
has some of the best information about comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko that I've found -- photo of its discoverers, details of past orbits of the sun, and a detailed specification sheet at the bottom of the page.
Here's the enlarged version of a graphic showing Rosetta's 12-year journey to the comet and the various gravity-assists from Earth and Mars.
http://sci.esa.int/rosetta/52838-twelve-year-journey-in-space/
The only thing I haven't been able to find is where exactly 67P is in the sky now as viewed from Earth. Not even the name of a constellation. Although it's far from being a naked-eye sight, it would still be nice to know where to look. Does anyone else know where?
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Oh dear, someone on the Daily Mail science page is saying that Philae is going to doom us all, by changing the orbital path of the comet. If only it were that simple, how easy would it be to have, an asteroid avoidance network? Just land a probe on it, ffs where do people get their ideas of physics from? :) :)
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Video (http://new.livestream.com/ESA/cometlanding/videos/67965864) of this mornings press conference...the images of the surface are just otherworldly (if you'll pardon that. :) )
Rather than watch the whole presentation, the images can be found at the end of the video...at @ the 1 hour, 7 minute mark.
Don't know what I was expecting, but not what I'm seeing...is that snow in one of those images?, or am I suffering from a case of pareidolia?
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Oh dear, someone on the Daily Mail science page is saying that Philae is going to doom us all, by changing the orbital path of the comet. If only it were that simple, how easy would it be to have, an asteroid avoidance network? Just land a probe on it, ffs where do people get their ideas of physics from? :) :)
If it were that easy, I'd be more worried about Rosetta itself affecting the orbit.
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So our old friend AwE130 starts the ball rolling with this one on infowars. Aircraft seen in comet images.. :) :)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/3359r1x.jpg)
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PS the image is actually from this site.. :D :D
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/look-at-the-size-of-that-comet-rosetta-is-chasing-compa-1653147476
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So, once again, he's taken a created image and claims it's an original?
How ... banal.
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So, once again, he's taken a created image and claims it's an original?
How ... banal.
Do you think I've rubbed it in enough??? :) ***from infowars***
Bryanpoprobson said on November 13, 2014
The image comes from this site http://sploid.gizmodo.com/look-at-the-size-of-that-comet-rosetta-is-chasing-compa-1653147476
What a buffoon you are.. lol lol :D :D
Bryanpoprobson said on November 13, 2014
You really are a crackpot lol.. :D :D
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Classic, he is now claiming the link I showed him was in his article, knowing how deceptive he is, I made a screenshot of his original article... He was convinced it was real, he has now changed the article. Adrian caught with his pants down.. :D
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2hmjz0w.jpg)
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Aah right so it's the other site's fault for not saying that it was a mock-up and not his fault for being a dumb schmuck? Also known as the 'Blame the Professor' defence.
He claims to trying to find the source.
Took me 2 seconds:
http://imgur.com/gallery/CWrHL
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He likes to perpetuate the other lie, you know that he is some kind of Internet whizz! :D
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Classic, he is now claiming the link I showed him was in his article, knowing how deceptive he is, I made a screenshot of his original article... He was convinced it was real, he has now changed the article. Adrian caught with his pants down.. :D
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2hmjz0w.jpg)
Adrian is so internet savvy that he doesn't realise a web page can be saved (and because we are on to his lies and deceptive practices, we WILL save that page before pointing out his deception) so that when he tries compound his lies with more lies, we catch him at it, every time.
This has happened several times now, and he still doesn't get it.
Ohhh, the stupid; its unending!
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By the way, have you seen this?
Interesting and makes the point.
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Oh dear, someone on the Daily Mail science page is saying that Philae is going to doom us all, by changing the orbital path of the comet. ...where do people get their ideas of physics from? :) :)
Has anyone told them that Philae weighs about 1 gram or 1 ounce on 67P, depending on who's telling the story?
This topic made me try to find the 10-year-old BAUT thread where someone asked if it was theoretically possible for an astronaut, using rocket principles, to pee himself off an asteroid -- assuming he wasn't encumbered by a pressure suit. JayUtah came up with all the maths involved. :)
Unfortunately the CosmoQuest forum won't accept any of the words in the thread's title for doing a search, which makes it a pretty useless search "facility." The name of the thread was "Secret NASA Images Hide Hoax". Time to try Google.
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Oh dear, someone on the Daily Mail science page is saying that Philae is going to doom us all, by changing the orbital path of the comet.
Why do they assume that any changes would be damaging? How do they know that the orbit of the comet won't intersect with Earth as it is and the Philae landing won't nudge it away?
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Why do they assume that any changes would be damaging? How do they know that the orbit of the comet won't intersect with Earth as it is and the Philae landing won't nudge it away?
The nature of the beast, screams cover up or impending doom, they are probably all still waiting for Nibiru. :D
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This topic made me try to find the 10-year-old BAUT thread where someone asked if it was theoretically possible for an astronaut, using rocket principles, to pee himself off an asteroid -- assuming he wasn't encumbered by a pressure suit. JayUtah came up with all the maths involved. :)
Here ya go!
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?12231-Secret-NASA-Images-Hide-Hoax
The question from 3d-vd is in post 13:
If you were on an asteroid, could you pee hard enough to achieve escape velocity not only for your urine but yourself, sort of like having a self contained rocket?
And JayUtah joined in at post 18:
Sheesh, thanks to this thread I've spent a great deal of time trying to discover the velocity of a human urine stream so I could do the rocketry calculations.
Enjoy how it developed from there!
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The nature of the beast, screams cover up or impending doom, they are probably all still waiting for Nibiru. :D
What a way to go through life! These are the people that probably still think that thunder is the sound of the god's displeasure.
More to be pitied than laughed at, though I personally find it very difficult not to point and laugh at them.
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With the news regarding the problem of charging the batteries, people are asking why weren't RTGs used... why weren't they? I would guess ESA had a good reason, but I don't know enough about the subject to comment.
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With the news regarding the problem of charging the batteries, people are asking why weren't RTGs used... why weren't they? I would guess ESA had a good reason, but I don't know enough about the subject to comment.
Mass, probably.
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From a Q&A session on Google hangouts
Q: Why not a nuclear battery? - A:Pultonium is highly toxic, unsafe, politically bad to launch nuclear substance. Technology not designed, mainly for political reasons.
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From a Q&A session on Google hangouts
Q: Why not a nuclear battery? - A:Pultonium is highly toxic, unsafe, politically bad to launch nuclear substance. Technology not designed, mainly for political reasons.
Does anyone remember Michio Kaku trying to get an injunction to stop the Cassini launch? I remember it well because I had an email debate with him on the subject at the time. It was a very intense discussion.
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I couldn't resist...
http://planet.infowars.com/science/awe-proven-to-be-a-liar
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With the news regarding the problem of charging the batteries, people are asking why weren't RTGs used... why weren't they? I would guess ESA had a good reason, but I don't know enough about the subject to comment.
In the ESA's case, it might well be mainly a political issue.
Even if that wasn't the case, the worldwide stock of 238Pu used for RTGs is very low. The US hasn't made any since the late 80s, and while the Russians were selling it for some time, they're apparently not producing it anymore either.
The DoE and NASA had a deal to split the costs for resuming production, but Congress hasn't appropriated all the funding they need to do so.
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It's certainly not what I would have expected. The jagged appearance seems to indicate that it is much younger than the moon.
I think it's cool that we can see some haze of the ejecta from the surface.
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By the way, have you seen this?
Wow! That is a very cool production for a space mission.
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I couldn't resist...
http://planet.infowars.com/science/awe-proven-to-be-a-liar
Nice work, Bryan. I'm glad someone is keeping tabs on him and holding him accountable for the garbage he pulls. I was going to say "keeping him honest," but of course, no one can do that.
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Nice work, Bryan. I'm glad someone is keeping tabs on him and holding him accountable for the garbage he pulls. I was going to say "keeping him honest," but of course, no one can do that.
I just knew what he was about to do and took the screen shots. :)
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It's certainly not what I would have expected. The jagged appearance seems to indicate that it is much younger than the moon.
I think it's cool that we can see some haze of the ejecta from the surface.
Well, each pass around the sun would resurface it to a degree, yes?
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I think that the surface is a lot more like rock, than what I would have expected. All these years of envisaging a what a "dirty snowball" looks like, did not ready me for this! :)
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Don't know what I was expecting, but not what I'm seeing...is that snow in one of those images?, or am I suffering from a case of pareidolia?
Probably dust.
I think that the surface is a lot more like rock, than what I would have expected. All these years of envisaging a what a "dirty snowball" looks like, did not ready me for this! :)
Comets have been imaged before...they're some of the blackest objects in the solar system, covered with gunk left behind by ice that has sublimated away. Less of a snowball with some specks of dirt in it, and more of one covered in blackened frozen mud, dust, and bits of rock.
The surface under Philae is apparently an unexpectedly hard and solid crust of largely water ice. I guess they expected a smoother transition from surface dust to icy granular material, perhaps not expecting the crust to form at the temperatures and pressures involved.
With the news regarding the problem of charging the batteries, people are asking why weren't RTGs used... why weren't they? I would guess ESA had a good reason, but I don't know enough about the subject to comment.
Apart from the politics, they didn't and still don't have RTGs developed for use, and it was to be a short duration high-risk mission that would have wasted most of an RTG's potential.