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Apollo Discussions => The Hoax Theory => Topic started by: Gazpar on July 05, 2015, 11:35:43 AM

Title: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 05, 2015, 11:35:43 AM
So I was discussing with a HB about the landing sites photographed by LRO and he sent me these photos, he said they are from the landing sites stages here on earth where they faked the missions.

(http://i.imgur.com/b4uY3C2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/r4NPFNk.jpg)

He said those photos were put by accident in the NASA archives.
I asked him for a link to the source and Im still waiting for it.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Zakalwe on July 05, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
And what do you think?
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 05, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
And what do you think?
They dont look like what he said. I dont see the massive mountains and there is not a big enough vacuum chamber to simulate the space conditions. Also, he did not send me the source so It can be anything.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 05, 2015, 03:20:38 PM
The second one looks like the bombing target shown on this page

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Airfields_CA_Mojave.htm

for Cuddeback Dry Lake Drop Zone (towards the bottom of the page).

Otherwise no matter how inventive I am with search terms I'm not finding anything.

Expect no source to be forthcoming, or a perfectly simple explanation for the one that does.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Andromeda on July 05, 2015, 05:13:03 PM
I've done a Google reverse image search, and Google cannot find those images.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Allan F on July 05, 2015, 05:19:33 PM
Have you tried the bottom image as a negative?
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Andromeda on July 05, 2015, 05:51:06 PM
No... I don't know how I'd convert it, sorry.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 05, 2015, 05:53:44 PM
The second one looks like the bombing target shown on this page

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Airfields_CA_Mojave.htm

for Cuddeback Dry Lake Drop Zone (towards the bottom of the page).

Otherwise no matter how inventive I am with search terms I'm not finding anything.

Expect no source to be forthcoming, or a perfectly simple explanation for the one that does.
The second one is definetly a bombing target, just look how there are circles and a crux.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Andromeda on July 05, 2015, 06:01:54 PM
The thing is, why even bother?

The technical challenges to filming on Earth are insurmountable in practical terms, IMO, and more expensive and risky than actually going to the Moon.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 05, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
The thing is, why even bother?

The technical challenges to filming on Earth are insurmountable in practical terms, IMO, and more expensive and risky than actually going to the Moon.
Yes, I mean, If you actually were to film on earth, you will need to simulate the gravity of the moon in vacuum and I dont know of any vacuum chamber in existence that is as big as a stadium.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: smartcooky on July 05, 2015, 08:37:45 PM
Those photos are probably military aerial reconnaissance photos, WWII vintage.. like this one of a test stand and surrounding birm at Peenemunde taken after the USAAF Eighth Air Force knock the crap out of it during three raids in July and August of 1944

(http://www.thehistoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Peenemunde-in-Mecklenburg-Vorpommem-Germany-on-September-2-1944.jpg)

At least this one had the advantage of there being craters!!!!
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: smartcooky on July 05, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
double post
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: BazBear on July 05, 2015, 09:54:20 PM
Have you tried the bottom image as a negative?
I did, it didn't help. The second one certainly looks like some of the air-ground targets I've seen in photos and films over the years. And there's the little problem that neither of these photos remotely resemble any of the Apollo landing sites. The hoax hoaxers really need to try harder.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Abaddon on July 06, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
No. 1 looks to me like an agricultural station

No.2 most resembles the photo by smartcooky in #10 above.

Here it is inverted FWIW.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: darren r on July 06, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
Picture 2 could be an electron microscope shot of a sperm fertilising an ovum for all the detail it shows!
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Abaddon on July 06, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
Picture 2 could be an electron microscope shot of a sperm fertilising an ovum for all the detail it shows!

Yep, it could be any durn thing, really. It does bear a structural similarity to smartcooky's image though.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Zakalwe on July 06, 2015, 04:06:59 PM
I asked him for a link to the source and Im still waiting for it.[/center]

Anything thats asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Most hoaxies seem to be incapable of accepting this. Your acquaintance has thrown two random images at you and that's supposed to completely overturn the whole program? <sounds of the bottom of a barrel being  scraped over and over>
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: gillianren on July 07, 2015, 03:33:52 AM
"This movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't below the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels."

--Roger Ebert, who told me once that he thought we were doing good work by battling hoax belief.  Though, alas, he was a JFK conspiracist.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Luke Pemberton on July 07, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
Picture 2 reminds me of an old film showing helium being cooled below critical temperature.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Allan F on July 07, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
It reminded me of the danish ring-castles from the Viking age - Trelleborg and the others.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 07, 2015, 05:21:33 PM
It reminds me that my prostate needs checking out.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Luke Pemberton on July 07, 2015, 06:16:45 PM
It reminds me that my prostate needs checking out.

TMI  :o
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Allan F on July 07, 2015, 06:45:09 PM
It reminds me that my prostate needs checking out.

That is on a "need to know"-basis - and I don't need to know!
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: smartcooky on July 08, 2015, 08:54:05 AM
"This movie doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't the bottom of the barrel. This movie isn't below the bottom of the barrel. This movie doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels."

--Roger Ebert, who told me once that he thought we were doing good work by battling hoax belief.  Though, alas, he was a JFK conspiracist.


Hah, that's funny, and for some reason (don't ask me why) it reminds me of a quote from a book I once read by English actor David Niven.

He and Errol Flynn were filming "The Charge of the Light Brigade" a 1936 movie directed by Austro-Hungarian director Michael Curtiz; who was not exactly known for his command of the English language.

In one scene, the script called for a number of riderless horses to wander through the set. Curtiz yelled out to the wranglers "Bring on ze empty horses". Niven and Flynn started to laugh, and Curtiz was not happy with their reaction. He responded angrily, yelling at Niven and Flynn...

"You people, you think I know f**k nothing; I tell you, you are wrong...  I know f**k all"

Needless to say, this just made the two actors laugh even more!!
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 08, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
That was the title of his second autobiography I think (Bring on the empty horses).

The first (The Moon's a Balloon) is equally brilliant.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: gillianren on July 08, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
Roger was a great critic and film historian, but I sometimes think he saved his best writing for when he really didn't like a movie.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: raven on July 08, 2015, 06:52:18 PM
That was the title of his second autobiography I think (Bring on the empty horses).

The first (The Moon's a Balloon) is equally brilliant.
Ooh, yes! I picked up the latter at a thrift store, and it was quite an entertaining read. ;D
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: ChrLz on July 09, 2015, 05:42:19 AM
Gazpar, I'm intrigued...  Can you please tel us the full story of how you met, and how you are now engaging with this HB - you said he sent you these images, so this is a conversation by email?  How did that arise?  And what was his reason for not sourcing the images - is he no longer speaking to you?
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 09, 2015, 11:05:18 AM
Gazpar, I'm intrigued...  Can you please tel us the full story of how you met, and how you are now engaging with this HB - you said he sent you these images, so this is a conversation by email?  How did that arise?  And what was his reason for not sourcing the images - is he no longer speaking to you?
It was on facebook. I saw a image of the lunar rover of apollo 17 in some page and I saw him on the comment section saying that all was filmed on earth and blah blah blah. I confronted him and throwed those images, I asked for source and he gave me a link to a youtube video. I asked him again for the source of the photos and he did not respond.
Link of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic)
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: JayUtah on July 09, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
I asked him again for the source of the photos and he did not respond.

I daresay you  have your answer, then.  The verifiable provenance of the photos is the only thing that would connect them to Apollo and thereby require some kind of explanation.  If he can't prove they came from NASA and were represented by NASA as aerial photos of the Apollo landing site, then all he has is two photos and a story.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 09, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
Having very quickly skimmed through that dishonest piece of crap I'm pretty sure that the images aren't from there. I think he's doing the same as the fraudsters in the video - hoping you will just take it at face value and not ask difficult questions.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 09, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
I asked him again for the source of the photos and he did not respond.

I daresay you  have your answer, then.  The verifiable provenance of the photos is the only thing that would connect them to Apollo and thereby require some kind of explanation.  If he can't prove they came from NASA and were represented by NASA as aerial photos of the Apollo landing site, then all he has is two photos and a story.
Yes, youre right. HB's are coming with more farfetched stuff. I tells a lot about their reasoning.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: smartcooky on July 09, 2015, 10:24:25 PM
I think he's doing the same as the fraudsters in the video - hoping you will just take it at face value and not ask difficult questions.

Right there is one bankable difference between Apollo Believers and Hoax Believers

Apollo Believers love difficult questions because they can either answer them straight off, or are prepared to do the research to find the answers, and in do doing, take the opportunity to learn something them selves

Hoax Believers hate difficult questions because they can't answer them straight off, are not prepared to do the research to find the answers, aren't interested in learning anything, are afraid that any answer will disturb their flawed and fragile worldview.
Title: Re: Photos of the landing sites from earth
Post by: Gazpar on July 14, 2015, 01:03:31 AM
I think he's doing the same as the fraudsters in the video - hoping you will just take it at face value and not ask difficult questions.

Right there is one bankable difference between Apollo Believers and Hoax Believers

Apollo Believers love difficult questions because they can either answer them straight off, or are prepared to do the research to find the answers, and in do doing, take the opportunity to learn something them selves

Hoax Believers hate difficult questions because they can't answer them straight off, are not prepared to do the research to find the answers, aren't interested in learning anything, are afraid that any answer will disturb their flawed and fragile worldview.
Right on point sir