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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.

« Last post by Obviousman on November 22, 2024, 05:38:13 PM »

I don't respond to clickbait. YOU are making the extraordinary claim; YOU prove that the motion is incorrect. Explain what is happening, why it must be wrong, and how the only alternative must be wires.

All you have done is basically say: it's wrong with no supporting evidence.

This isn't our first rodeo, sunshine.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by najak on November 22, 2024, 05:36:20 PM »

If "they" noticed the flag motion, why then publish it?

Good question, but with a good answer.   In 1969, this was a 1-shot showing.  People only got to see it once.  So their "fixing of mistakes" only needed to be "easy" - no reason to reshoot everything or omit their "continuous footage" on account of something that probably not many would notice - and if they did - they'd be treated worse than HB's today...   With no way to find a support group, etc... 

Even today, lying or ignorant PNA's (Pro-NASA-Advocates) repeat the known-to-be-false claim that "the flag only moves when being touched", but not daring to mention these critical exceptions.  This lying claim is mainstream -- it's all most people will ever hear.   They've been denied access to the true MLH arguments that undermine the "Apollo Truth" defined by the system for us today.

So clearly, this "fix" was good enough to last 55 years, and PNA's are still clinging to it tight.   So it worked.  That's why they didn't need to reshoot the scene or omit this footage..   Just "add a few photos" that we can point to later, if needed.

I haven't fully researched this one.   Am in the process of doing this now.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by Allan F on November 22, 2024, 03:46:21 PM »

If "they" noticed the flag motion, why then publish it?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by najak on November 22, 2024, 03:24:53 PM »

@TimberWolfAu - thank you for the contribution.   I was aware of those two photos as well, and the way they have been used in attempt to fully debunk this flag motion on film.

Here's the fully unexplained issue - in the film we see it spend most of it's time off-screen, but 4 of it's 8 movements are TOWARDS the LEM??

Is it possible that they noticed the flag motion, and so adding those two photos of the before/after was "damage control"?  How many such photos are there to demonstrate this before/after?  I'm downloading the full gallery from Apollo 14 now, to see for myself these photos.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.

« Last post by najak on November 22, 2024, 02:52:09 PM »

@BertieSlack, wrote:
"The dust didn't get as high off the ground as the astronaut?"

I appreciate your kind answer, but I'd like to keep this thread from meandering.  Serious answers only.  If you watch the 3rd link, it does a great job of frame capture to show that the sand rises right along with the bottom of his foot, or is kicked upwards from the tops of his feet.  Yet it's falls more than double the speed of the astronauts, indicating the truth of MLH -- these astronauts are being hoisted by a thin cable to help simulate lunar gravity, while the sand is only influenced by the earth's gravity.

Here's the 3rd link again:  https://youtu.be/cgd6fxuEDl0?t=40

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.

« Last post by BertieSlack on November 22, 2024, 11:50:02 AM »

Please enlighten me.

The dust didn't get as high off the ground as the astronaut?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: A few simple questions for conspiracy theorists

« Last post by Allan F on November 22, 2024, 10:50:54 AM »

Nobody is trying to make you look like fools, You manage that all on your own.

You yourself is a prime example of confirmation bias. Every single argument put to your ideas, is dismissed without any consideration. You only look at the surface, not the causes of things. Like your flag idea. On Apollo 11, the flag points in one direction during EVA. When filmed before liftoff, it points in a totally different direction?`

Why?

Because procedures during the preparation for liftoff called for a brief test of the attitude control system, including firing a short burst from the thrusters, which impinged on the flag and turned it away from the LM. Maybe consider that happened on the rest of the landings too?

There is so much more to learn, when you step away from the usual hoaxnuttery. There is a reason why a certain unnamed person is referred to as "TBFDU". Because he is consistently wrong, been shown where he's wrong, totally disregards the corrections and keeps on trucking the same arguments again and again.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on November 22, 2024, 10:39:57 AM »

The video is between EVA 1 and 2.

Given the horizontal bar of the flag pole could pivot freely, I doubt it would have taken a lot of pressure to cause the flag to rotate, once the expelled gasses from the depressurisation prior to the 2nd EVA reached the flag (while gas will expand in a vacuum, its main impulse will still be towards the flag, which was in front of the LM).

But you know what else happened either side if the footage? This picture, showing the flag pointing towards the LM, post EVA 1, and away from the LM post EVA 2.

Simple explanation, requiring no unsupported variables.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Impossible Film Tech?

« Last post by najak on November 22, 2024, 07:44:39 AM »

They had the ability to over-crank, as well as to do Optical Printing (both were available).

Can no one think of any feasible scenario where the film guys shoot at higher speed, then slow it down as they do some optical printing?

And is it inconceivable to make a Reel case to hold a longer film strip?

Are you aware of the Optical Printing Technique?  Or that, at that time, we had the tech for capturing up to 18,000 FPS, and so 144 FPS should be a cinch.

What is the longest continuous footage you know of without a least a blip of dead space, or a hiccup in transmission?  (either would serve as an easy place to swap reels and continue)

You reference the longest continuous footage that you find the most impossible for them to film - and I'll watch it to see if I can find any places where a reel swap could occur (still camera, no action).

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Please try to refrain from the indirect personal attacks - in that you are implying I must be stupid for not believing as you do about Apollo.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Impossible Film Tech?

« Last post by bknight on November 22, 2024, 07:19:10 AM »

It is very simple the video equipment as Collins describes in the video did not have the capability to capture and run the "tape" at half speed or whatever the speed needed to be to emulate the lower gravity for even the very short Apollo 11 EVA.  It is stupid of the HB to even think this is possible.