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The Hoax Theory / Re: AI making debunking harder...
« Last post by Jason Thompson on December 28, 2025, 03:20:31 PM »
I'm frustrated by the number of apparently genuine lunar surface images I am seeing, but with the Earth inserted, presumably for aesthetic reasons.  How are we to respond to these?  >:(

Depends on what they claim to be showing. Composite images have been around for ages, and unless they're purporting to be actual images as taken by an astronaut I see no issue with them (quite the reverse, as several hoax believers have tried to cite composite or otherwise edited pics in astronaut-penned books as evidence of a hoax only to have to be reminded that there's a difference between illustrative imagery and a claim that something is a genuine photo).

The AI ones bug the hell out of me because they show something that is obviously (to anyone with even a passing familiarity) not an actual scene. Just today I saw one with an astronaut at the footpad of something that bore no resemblance to an actual LM, with nothing resembling a ladder anywhere, and two other astronauts poking their heads out of a huge hatch. Other posts that do show actual Apollo images are emblazoned with captions stating they are not AI, CGI or photoshop.

It seems its now so bloody easy to make all these fake crap images that the presumption of authenticity in photographic records has been permanently undermined.
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by bknight on December 28, 2025, 01:40:31 PM »
This looks promising.

https://www.apolloremastered.com
It seems to me that Charlie Duke has made a lot of personal appearances lately.  It is good that he does so.  I did exchange a couple of emails a few years ago, very pleasant guy and he took the time to anser my question.
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by JayUtah on December 28, 2025, 12:13:09 PM »
Yeah, I've got Apollo Remastered, it's the post that started this thread  :)
D'oh!
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Sounds like a vary tall tale. Especially with the lack of details.

The trainers operated in very specific location, so it's not likely that a random person, State Trooper or not, would witness one just landing outside their area of operations.
That and the trainers only carried one person, and they didn't wear "spacesuits" but normal flight suits.

The actual training was done at Ellington Airfield, in Texas, ref 'Unconventional, Contrary, and Ugly:The Lunar Landing Research Vehicle' NASA SP-2004-4535
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 28, 2025, 08:35:37 AM »
Yeah, I've got Apollo Remastered, it's the post that started this thread  :)
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The Reality of Apollo / Anyone heard this story about the LLTV and a state trooper?
« Last post by Peter B on December 28, 2025, 08:24:57 AM »
Someone on YT (yeah, I know) is claiming this story about the LLRVs/LLTVs:
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The trainers also were the cause of a famous project blue book UFO incident,  a State trooper spotted a landing withe astronauts getting out of the vehicle in space suits and reported it, NASA didn't want the location Astronauts were practicing revealed and had the report suppressed until after the moon missions were completed.

I checked it on Snopes and got no hits, and then on Google, and the AI response (yeah, I know) was that it's a bit of space lore.

So I was hoping the Brains Trust here might know something about the story?

Thank you in advance!

Cheers

Peter
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by JayUtah on December 27, 2025, 10:26:18 PM »
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The Hoax Theory / Re: AI making debunking harder...
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 27, 2025, 06:48:14 AM »
Depends on where you see it.

When I see them posted in groups I can comment in/participate in, I will point out that the Earth has been added.

Click-bait pages, like the ones Mr White has been raging about (whilst checking this forum for updates far more regularly than I originally expected, Oh, and no I'm not Tim, but I do know him in the real world), I just block/hide them from my feed, there's no point in commenting on those ones.

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Awesome sauce.

I have a copy of "The Moon as Viewed by Lunar Orbiter" (nice big green book), which has the reference charts at the end. From looking a quick looks at the links provided, I should be able to find a spot in the book, grab the corresponding frame #, and find it through the links.

I have that, and also the full Lunar Orbiter Photographic Atlas version - it does come up on eBay from time to time, sometimes at sensible prices, sometimes not!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: AI making debunking harder...
« Last post by Dalhousie on December 27, 2025, 04:11:41 AM »
I'm frustrated by the number of apparently genuine lunar surface images I am seeing, but with the Earth inserted, presumably for aesthetic reasons.  How are we to respond to these?  >:(
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