Questions needing answers

[tradosaurus]

Side note, I'm pretty sure he's deleting posts, since I see responses to ones that are missing when I read the page.

Yes, I delete part of posts that I am replying, to condense the entire reply.  Can you not just go back to the original post to read the entire part?   Does it change the fact that NASA is a bunch of liars and thieves and the universe is much smaller than we were brainwashed to believe?

[tradosaurus]

I just read this thread. 

Tradosaurus, I am a space systems engineer, and amateur astronomer, and I've worked for guys who made Apollo happen - who were, in fact, part of NASA's forerunner agency.  Nothing you have said betrays even the slightest familiarity with the Apollo record, nor understanding of spaceflight or astronomy in general, nor engineering, nor even with the most basic principles of Newtonian physics.   

Please don't continue to claim you're a mechanical engineer; it's not nice to lie to us, and it's not in accordance with the principles of the Chrisitianity you profess.  And I have worked with UT aerospace engineers, and even though I went to an old SWC rival, I will stand up for them against your fumbling attempt to attach your incompetence to that institution.

Also, please don't blame your determined ignorance on Catholicism. I'm Catholic, and the Church, whatever its faults, doesn't subscribe to the nonsense you're peddling.

But this is all moot anyway, because frankly I think you're just trolling - and not very imaginatively at that.

Well you are wrong on two accounts which isn't surprising given that you have worked with NASA, the peddler of many lies.  We could have a separate discussion of why the Vatican 2 church is not Catholic but an anti-church and how that fulfills prophecy that Jesus predicted, that the eternal sacrifice will cease (ie. there will be no mass) in the end times. 

[tradosaurus]

Another question that flat earthers can't seem to answer: why does a flight from Frankfurt to Singapore take 12.5 hours, when a flight from Singapore to Frankfurt, flying over the exact same trajectory takes 13.5 hours?

The real question should be why doesn't the flight against the supposed rotation of the earth ( take less than a few hours since the plane would be flying against 1,000 to 700 mph rotation (depending upon what latitude you were at)?

Why would the plane magically lose the velocity it had on the ground simply by taking off?  What force would cause that?

Good question.  What holds the atmosphere glued to the earth while it is rotating 1,000 mph?  Magic?

Friction.

I was always taught to ignore friction in problems in classes such as Dynamics and Fluid Dynamics.  I was robbed!

[tradosaurus]

So tradasaurus, care to go start a topic in "Other Conspiracies" covering:
A) Why in the world everyone who knew the Earth was flat would want to keep it secret...

A) Simple:  control over you and your money...

This must be something like the Underpants Gnomes out of South Park for whom Step 1 was to steal all the underpants and Step 3 was profit, with Step 2 remaining undefined.

In Tradasaurus's case it appears to go: Step 1: Convince people the world is round; Step 2: ?; Step 3: Take control of you and your money.

However, Tradasaurus, if you can fill in the details of Step 2 I'm all ears (or eyes in this case).

I don't know but maybe Step 2 is to sell lots of globes and maps? 

[tradosaurus]

Guys,
Can we please stop feeding tradosaurus's personal obsession about FE? This thread is about Apollo. To me, it's clear that tradosaurus is using moon denial as a "gateway drug" to his main obsession which is whacko ideas about the shape of the Earth. Its crank magnetism and personally I think he is doing this to troll and for shits'n'giggles. A separate thread has been created where he can go indulge his main delusion if he so wishes.

Tradosaurus, to bring this back on track, I am waiting for you to back up your claim that NASA was created by the National Socialist party. I have asked this before and I'm not sure that you have answered it.  Please provide reputable evidence or have that claim thrown out.

I've also got a couple of other points that need clarification. You asked earlier:

How did the astronauts fit through a 22" docking hatch with their backpacks on when hooking back with the command module?

You have been asked to show where in the mission profile that they passed through the tunnel fully suited and with PLSS backbacks on. You have been told that you had the tunnel dimensions incorrect (some research, eh?) Do you still maintain that the astronauts passed through the docking tunnel, fully suited with PLSS backbacks after docking with the CM? Otherwise please withdraw the claim.

You also showed your ignorance when you claimed that :

I'm imagining putting food, water, fuel, parachute, 3 men and instruments in a room this size and I don't see much room for the astro-nots to move around.  So basically for 3 days, 3 astro-nots were most likely strapped to their chair and had eat, pee/poop somehow and dispose of their waste.  In staged videos from NASA it shows the 3 astro-nots moving around the CM as if there is plenty of room. 

Now I'm going to ignore your childish use of "astro-nots" and your obsession with bodily functions (for now), but I do want you to clarify why you think that the CM had "water, fuel, parachute" inside the habitable space. Is that still your thinking or have you realised that you were incorrect about that too? The hilarious part is that you linked to a cutaway illustration that showed exactly where the fuel was located and you still managed to get it wrong! When submitting your answer can you also show where you think the parachutes and their mortars were stowed (here's a hint, if the parachutes were stowed in the habitable space, then how were they deployed? Did they open a window and throw them out? )

There's plenty more, but let's ease ourselves back into this, shall we?

1.  Strawman.  I've said before that it is my opinion that NASA has NAZI origins as the U.S. brought 1500 German scientists and engineers and Werhner Von Braun conceptualized the idea of space travel in the early 50's and within a few short years NASA was born.  I'm just connecting the dots.
2. If I am wrong on the tunnel dimension please show me the true dimensions of the tunnel entrance to the command module.  My shoulders are 24 inches from end to end and with a "space" suit on it would be much larger so hopefully your dimensions will be at least 42" or bigger.
3. Here is a picture of the Command module. Pay attention to the dimensions and then imagine the 3 parachutes with a lot of cord and all the other equipment plus 3 men fitting in this small space for 6 days of travel.  According to NASA, 3 crew members spent 3 days to the moon and 3 days back to earth IN THE CM.   One of the videos where Neil Armstrong manipulated the camera to show a "ball earth" it shows the astro-nots with plenty of room.  They should have been in the CM.  Now look at the picture.  Can you imagine being strapped to the chair with 2 guys with no room to stand up?  Also the parachutes were stored in the top of the CM so how was it stored so that the astro-nots still had room to make it thru the access tunnel?  I think NASA's Hollywood department should have done a better job. 

[bknight]

tradosaurus, a thread has been created for you, please use it for  FE ranting's.  Use this thread for discussing your Apollo mis-understands.
Your original questions have been answered many times and yet you continue to ignore them and/or refuse to answer questions.  Hand waving and misdirecting is a normal behavior for conspirators start answering the questions.

[bknight]

1.  Strawman.  I've said before that it is my opinion that NASA has NAZI origins as the U.S. brought 1500 German scientists and engineers and Werhner Von Braun conceptualized the idea of space travel in the early 50's and within a few short years NASA was born.  I'm just connecting the dots.
2. If I am wrong on the tunnel dimension please show me the true dimensions of the tunnel entrance to the command module.  My shoulders are 24 inches from end to end and with a "space" suit on it would be much larger so hopefully your dimensions will be at least 42" or bigger.
3. Here is a picture of the Command module. Pay attention to the dimensions and then imagine the 3 parachutes with a lot of cord and all the other equipment plus 3 men fitting in this small space for 6 days of travel.  According to NASA, 3 crew members spent 3 days to the moon and 3 days back to earth IN THE CM.   One of the videos where Neil Armstrong manipulated the camera to show a "ball earth" it shows the astro-nots with plenty of room.  They should have been in the CM.  Now look at the picture.  Can you imagine being strapped to the chair with 2 guys with no room to stand up?  Also the parachutes were stored in the top of the CM so how was it stored so that the astro-nots still had room to make it thru the access tunnel?  I think NASA's Hollywood department should have done a better job. 

This was pointed out to you a few times, but you display a lazy behavior to investigate your claims.  Here is a link that will show you the docking tunnel hatch was 30"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Command/Service_Module

Also it has been pointed out to you the parachutes were packed around the docking tunnel, NOT in the living space.
If  you viewed any of the videos you should notice that without gravity the spacecraft was much roomier, although not as large as a bedroom.  How do you think two men rode Gemini 7 for 14 days with much less room to move around.  Now that was a cramped condition, much more than Apollo.

The astronauts were not strapped in their seats for the duration of the mission.  Get over it Apollo landed 12 men on the Moon.

[Peter B]

So tradasaurus, care to go start a topic in "Other Conspiracies" covering:
A) Why in the world everyone who knew the Earth was flat would want to keep it secret...

A) Simple:  control over you and your money...

This must be something like the Underpants Gnomes out of South Park for whom Step 1 was to steal all the underpants and Step 3 was profit, with Step 2 remaining undefined.

In Tradasaurus's case it appears to go: Step 1: Convince people the world is round; Step 2: ?; Step 3: Take control of you and your money.

However, Tradasaurus, if you can fill in the details of Step 2 I'm all ears (or eyes in this case).

I don't know but maybe Step 2 is to sell lots of globes and maps? 

??

And why wouldn't maps sell if everyone accepted we lived on a Flat Earth?

Or, to put it another way, NASA is getting control over people by selling them...maps and globes?

Seriously, what's the point of this conspiracy again?

[ka9q]

2. If I am wrong on the tunnel dimension please show me the true dimensions of the tunnel entrance to the command module.  My shoulders are 24 inches from end to end and with a "space" suit on it would be much larger so hopefully your dimensions will be at least 42" or bigger.

Because the astronauts never had to pass through the tunnel wearing suits or PLSS backpacks.

3. Here is a picture of the Command module. Pay attention to the dimensions and then imagine the 3 parachutes with a lot of cord and all the other equipment plus 3 men fitting in this small space for 6 days of travel.

Your questions have already been answered, several times. You're not paying attention, are you?

[frenat]

So tradasaurus, care to go start a topic in "Other Conspiracies" covering:
A) Why in the world everyone who knew the Earth was flat would want to keep it secret...

A) Simple:  control over you and your money...

This must be something like the Underpants Gnomes out of South Park for whom Step 1 was to steal all the underpants and Step 3 was profit, with Step 2 remaining undefined.

In Tradasaurus's case it appears to go: Step 1: Convince people the world is round; Step 2: ?; Step 3: Take control of you and your money.

However, Tradasaurus, if you can fill in the details of Step 2 I'm all ears (or eyes in this case).

I don't know but maybe Step 2 is to sell lots of globes and maps? 

Here's a clue showing that the Earth is not flat.  There is not a single flat map that does not have some distortion.  This is because the Earth is round.  EVERY flat map is a projection from a globe and HAS TO have some distortion.  If the Earth was flat then flat Earthers should be able to come up with an accurate map easily but they never do.

[Peter B]

Now that you mention it the main reason I know NASA is a fraud and has bilked billions from taxpayers to fund their fantasy expeditions is the observable and tested facts that the earth is flat.  But I digress

Do you think NASA has some sort of influence over the scientific and engineering communities of countries other than the USA? Do you think they somehow fooled the scientists and engineers in the USSR during the Cold War? Do you think they're somehow fooling the scientists and engineers in Iran or North Korea at the moment?

Given the fact that kids are indoctrinated with the globe earth and NASA has to know about the flat earth, yes I would say they are fooling quite a few scientists (at least the ones that aren't in on it like Neil Tyson and Bill Nye).  Look how easy it was to fool so many people about 9/11.

Come on, please explain this. Please explain how NASA fools scientists and engineers in countries other than the USA, including countries hostile to the USA. Or, if they know and are going along with the conspiracy, what do the Iranian or North Korean governments (or, earlier, the Soviet government) gain by going along with it?

And seeing as NASA didn't exist before 1958, who was doing the fooling in all the centuries - the millennia - prior to then?

[onebigmonkey]

1.  Strawman.  I've said before that it is my opinion that NASA has NAZI origins as the U.S. brought 1500 German scientists and engineers and Werhner Von Braun conceptualized the idea of space travel in the early 50's and within a few short years NASA was born.  I'm just connecting the dots.

Your dot connecting is a child's scrawl. Your opinion counts for nothing. Even if it were true, please tell us how political opinion influences the law of physics.

2. If I am wrong on the tunnel dimension please show me the true dimensions of the tunnel entrance to the command module.  My shoulders are 24 inches from end to end and with a "space" suit on it would be much larger so hopefully your dimensions will be at least 42" or bigger.

That information has been provided. You're wrong. They did not wear a space suit when moving between the CSM and LM.

3. Here is a picture of the Command module. Pay attention to the dimensions and then imagine the 3 parachutes with a lot of cord and all the other equipment plus 3 men fitting in this small space for 6 days of travel.  According to NASA, 3 crew members spent 3 days to the moon and 3 days back to earth IN THE CM.   One of the videos where Neil Armstrong manipulated the camera to show a "ball earth" it shows the astro-nots with plenty of room.  They should have been in the CM.  Now look at the picture.  Can you imagine being strapped to the chair with 2 guys with no room to stand up?  Also the parachutes were stored in the top of the CM so how was it stored so that the astro-nots still had room to make it thru the access tunnel?  I think NASA's Hollywood department should have done a better job. 

Here is a  picture of a CM. See if you can work out where the parachutes were stored.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Ap8-S68-56310.jpg

When Armstrong moved the TV camera to show the Earth it also showed a hurricane that only existed in that form on that day. I have an original wire photo of that image taken from the TV coverage. It matches the satellite imagery from that day. I'm not interested in the fact that you don't believe in satellites, you just need to know how badly your argument fails thanks to the piles of evidence that prove it wrong.

[JayUtah]

I was always taught to ignore friction in problems in classes such as Dynamics and Fluid Dynamics.

Then you missed the point of the classes.  The interaction between fluids and solids is governed entirely by friction.  While friction is often ignored in first-year dynamics, practical dynamics requires it and is part of the licensing exam.

I was robbed!

No, you're just lying.

[Gazpar]

If the earth is flat, where are those 1,250,000,000 km2? An sphere of r=6371km only has 500,000,000 km2...

[onebigmonkey]

I'd also like to point out the massive irony of tradosaurus constructing a huge strawman and then accusing someone else of using a strawman to demolish his strawman.