Strong arguments versus weak arguments.

[Tedward]

Here is a video of NASA tampering with pictures. I would ask you to ignore the whole video, as it  is not convincing at all, except, please stop at 10:11 and tell me what is that you see there?

Snippy snip snip video. You ever seen the difference in video formats, blown up digital picture, looked at analogue vs digital signals?

[Andromeda]

  Emma, I have never believed  Richard Hoaxland. He is a sincere, good old jolly chap, has hair, which is a nice fact in itself, but doesn`t have a ruler that would let him draw a line between reality and a fairy tale.

Did you read that link?  It was about compression artefacts, which you are arguing show something suspicious, not Hoagland.

But these 2 fellows don`t radiate a  single yota of evil . Neither does Kaysing. And Kaysing admitting  that he had lied, is beyond my ability to grasp.

Oh dear, oh dear.


BTW, has everyone seen this?

 

[SolusLupus]

BTW, has everyone seen this?

Bahahaha!  Saving this one to favorites.

[Luke Pemberton]

BTW, has everyone seen this?

Sorry, I know he's a bit like Marmite, but this is good too (Brian Cox speaks on the moonhoax).

[Jason Thompson]

And Kaysing admitting  that he had lied, is beyond my ability to grasp.

That is your problem, not ours.

But I want the jobs to return to the US., the  meaningful jobs.

Well whoop-de-doo. No-one who actually decides how the US spends its money is under any obligation to agree with you. If NASA or any other organisation is charged with designing a rocket within a certain budget and they can save money on the engine, they will. As nice as it would be to have it all home-grown, if there's a viable cheaper alternative that allows them to put more money into real innovation in other areas, only an idiot would refuse to take it as long as the option is there.
 

Sorry, if I omitted many answers, I can`t catch up.

And since YOU are the one who threw in all the various arguments that are being discussed here, who exactly is it who caused you to run into that problem?

[SolusLupus]

Hey, advanced.  Here's one question I want you to answer.  Please do so:

How would they have faked the telemetry going to the moon?  The radio waves that anyone could have picked up on, and many did, which was accurately pinpointed and traceable?

[Luke Pemberton]

Hey, advanced.  Here's one question I want you to answer.

Hey, don't get carried away. That means him answering a question. 

[JayUtah]

Jay, You have worked on 787 Delayliner...

Please by all means continue to adopt this insulting and childish tone.  It will make you seem so much more credible when you protest about your allegedly shabby treatment.

...yet you tell me to go study photography, implying that the picture still in the video at 10;11 is ok. But it is not.

Since you have no applicable training or experience, I do not accept your judgment regarding what may be a video anomaly.  I have the appropriate, adjudicated training and I am easily able to recognize what your "anomaly" is.  Your inability to know this, or to accept it from someone else, is your own problem.

You can compress or unzip as often you like...

Neither of those processes employs the discrete cosine transform, which is clearly what's responsible for the artifact you identify.

As to Russian scientists talking about  Apollo 11 star recollection, I can post the whole video, if you want, but it is unfortunately in Russian.

I asked you to cite you references.  Please do so or withdraw the claim.

Anyway, seems strange that I have been researching and loving aviation since childhood...

Please stop going off on tangents.  I have asked what your academic and professional qualifications are, such that you can credibly criticize the U.S. space program and its attendant industries.  So far you're dancing around the subject without answering my questions.  Please provide your credentials and/or professional experience immediately.

And when you said that Kaysing bluntly lied, and that he made stuff up, I can`t believe it. I simply can`t.

It's on video, coming out of his mouth.  My friend, producer John Flynn, found it.  Transcripts of the same interview have been widely available for years.

It is beyond my power to believe that Kaysing would have lied.

And that is why nothing anyone says here has made, or will ever make, the slightest difference to you.  You have picked your prophets and you cling to them with religious faith.

My disbelief in US moonlandings actually comes from another aspect, but it is a seperate discussion. it deals with 2 issues- extremely complex engineering.

That happens to be what I do for a living.  Proceed with your case.

For me the reliabilty of the whole Apollo project + its complexity, is somewhat suspicious.

But you have no relevant qualifications or expertise, so your opinion is irrelevant.

Imagine after the demise of Apolo project, those great engineers should have...

"If I ran the zoo."  Please get it through your head that the world simply does not have to operate the way you ignorantly suppose it should.

And don`t be that agressive...

As long as you continue to accuse my industry of widescale fraud with no more evidence than your ignorant supposition, I will be as aggressive as I care to be.

Put up or shut up.

[JayUtah]

But I want the jobs to return to the US., the meaningful jobs. Jobs in droves that would involve mechanical engineering.

Fine, but that's an economic and political argument, not so much a technical one.  You want to say that Apollo must have been fake because the world aerospace industry didn't evolve subsequently the way you say it should have in the wake of an Apollo success.  That's eminently specious because market and political forces determine that.

I would have never gone into checking moonhoax theory at all.

No, the problem is that you're clearly motivated to believe the Moon landing hoax theory by social, political, and economic factors.  You are simply now trying to pretend that there is a body of technical evidence that confirms what you've desired to believe, because you know that ultimately a faked Apollo would have to manifest itself in the technical record.  You're now scouring the record trying to post-justify an existing belief.  The problem is that you're being guided by dishonest, non-technical authors, all the while pretending that it's you who knows the least thing about the industry.

Sorry, if I omitted many answers, I can`t catch up.

Don't insult us by apologizing for that.  You dumped a Gish Gallop of host claims on us, and now you're complaining because you can't keep up with our response to them.  Cry me a river.

[SolusLupus]

Hey, advanced.  Here's one question I want you to answer.  Please do so:

How would they have faked the telemetry going to the moon?  The radio waves that anyone could have picked up on, and many did, which was accurately pinpointed and traceable?

Quoting myself, because I don't want my question to get lost in the deluge of other people's comments.  I want an answer to this.

[frenat]

Couldn`t you simultaneously add even more questions? ...  long rant snipped

so basically what you're trying to say is "If I ran the zoo..."

[Luke Pemberton]

Don't insult us by apologizing for that.  You dumped a Gish Gallop of host claims on us, and now you're complaining because you can't keep up with our response to them.  Cry me a river.

One possible compromise is to review the thread, and pick out several questions that advancedboy should focus on. He must provide a technical account outlying his evidence of fakery, and he he must present it with rigor and citation. I have asked him to do this for radiation, and he cites Jarrah White. If he strays into another socio-economic-political gish gallop, then it's up to LO to deal with him. Does the forum have rules about answering questions pertaining to scientific proof?

[frenat]

I also have this feeling that most of you work for government institutions or formerly did, hence the reservedness about 9/11 simple yes/no answers.

Translation:  I'm extremely paranoid.

[JayUtah]

I have asked him to do this for radiation, and he cites Jarrah White.

Yeah.  Advacedboy, Jarrah is not even remotely qualified to talk about this.  He tried to debate me on that point at IMDb, failed miserably, tried to change the subject, then ran back to YouTube to complain about how he was "censored" (for posting his typical foul-mouthed rubbish, but only a few people saw what he posted so he made up a different story).  The topic on which he was invited to present for experts was his claims of space radiation.  He will talk about it only when real experts can't be allowed to comment.  In other words:  he's a charlatan and he knows it.

If you're trying to quote Jarrah White as some kind of authority on space radiation, then I have little respect for any knowledge you yourself would claim to possess.

If he strays into another socio-economic-political gish gallop, then it's up to LO to deal with him.

I'm generally opposed to negotiating special ground rules for each individual poster, because conspiracism is all about moving goalposts.  I tend to apply the same rules to everyone, as a condition of my participation:  keep it public, keep it moderated at least for decorum.

[advancedboy]

`How would they have faked the telemetry going to the moon?  The radio waves that anyone could have picked up on, and many did, which was accurately pinpointed and traceable?`
 NASA in NASA out.  Traceable by who? Amateurs? Russians? The information could have been transmitted the same way as  as it was done by Russians , once they scared Americans by their data being transmitted from lunar probes. Funny, in that Russian film they said that Soviet ships approached US coast to  track Apollo signals, and they got heavily jammed  by US fleet. I haven`t researched this , or checked what this guy was talking in that film. His name is Youri Mukhin.  I will recheck it. I have been too lazy to go into Russian  sites to read information about Apollo, as I don`t have cyrillic keyboard. But they  should have some specialists that could provide dissection on that film.  I will recheck what specific radar stations could have been finished by Soviet Union by the end of Apollo` last missions, that could be disruptive to continuing Apollo 18, 19, etc.
 Here is the Russian film -( Jay`s requested reference)