The Trump Presidency

[LunarOrbit]

I should have titled this thread "Republican hypocrisy"

"It's curious and a little bit humorous that Democrats would talk about anything bipartisan ... given how they have vowed to obstruct everything we do." - Kellyanne Conway

Source: Conway dismisses need for independent hack probe, says Trump may reconsider sanctions on Russia

That's after 8 years of Republicans obstructing everything President Obama did, even going so far as to force a government shutdown. They didn't mind using obstructionism as a tactic when there was a democrat in the White House, but now it's wrong?

I also love how for decades Republicans were the ones stockpiling guns just in case the Russians invaded, or going on commie witch hunts, but now all of a sudden they act like Russia is their best friend and there's no need to investigate the hackings.

And the biggest hypocrite of them all? Mitch McConnell. He sent a letter to Dem. Senator Chuck Schumer in 2009 setting the standards for President Obama's cabinet nominees. It included FBI background checks, letters from the Office of Government Ethics, and financial disclosure statements. Now, the Republican nominees are failing to meet those same standards and McConnell wants to ignore them. Sen. Schumer sent the letter back to him as a reminder.

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/818544880658108416

[twik]

Yes, I never thought I'd live to see the day when the GOP was the party who thought the Russians were our official cuddle-buddies, and only nasty hawk-types could distrust their intentions.

[LunarOrbit]

There's a report going around tonight that the Russians have been dealing with Trump for about five years, grooming him for a Presidential run, while also gathering information that they can use to blackmail him. I'm not going to share it because it hasn't been confirmed (and other reasons), but if it's true then Trump is headed for impeachment and a treason trial.

[twik]

This just gets more and more ridiculous. Trump will appoint Robert Kennedy Jr., noted antivaxxer kook to head a committee on "vaccine safety."

[Luke Pemberton]

This just gets more and more ridiculous. Trump will appoint Robert Kennedy Jr., noted antivaxxer kook to head a committee on "vaccine safety."

The anti-expert establishment is pervading Western politics. In the UK Michael Gove headed his tenure as SoS for Education by denouncing experts out of hand. He is even on record as saying 'he was tired of listening to experts.'

What is the possibility of Trump being impeached?

[gillianren]

Depends on how reliable the Russian blackmail situation turns out to actually be.  (Apparently, people on 4chan are claiming responsibility, but yeah.)  The fact is, he needs a majority in the House to be impeached and a supermajority in the Senate to be removed from office, and I don't think the odds of that are great right now.  No matter how blatant the evidence of treason is.

[Peter B]

Yes, I never thought I'd live to see the day when the GOP was the party who thought the Russians were our official cuddle-buddies, and only nasty hawk-types could distrust their intentions.

I have to say that, as unpleasant a man as Putin is, the US needs either Russia or China as a strategic ally, and given China's growing strength, Russia seems the more sensible choice.

Presumably the new Secretary of State will see the benefit in continuing to build a strategic network in Asia to stop China from getting too aggressive.

I don't remember where I read it, but I've heard the expression that nations have interests not alliances. Which is to say that sometimes it's in your strategic interest to have an ally whose internal politics aren't pleasant. A little over a century ago the two great beacons of republican and monarchical democracy, France and Britain, formed an alliance with the most repressive major state in Europe - Czarist Russia - because it was in the strategic interest of all three to contain Germany. Same again in World War Two with the USSR.

[Luke Pemberton]

While I cannot find the sources right now, there have been some interesting analyses that pertain to war between Russia and China, which then draws in NATO on Russia's side. The analyses is largely based on the need for a strong Russian-US alliance to counter Chinese aggression in the South China Sea.

[twik]

While I understand that a country that wishes to be part of the world, let alone have a leading role, must deal with the fact that few other countries are led by angels, the problem that I have with Trump versus Putin is this: Trump is an easily-manipulated narcissist, and Putin so far seems to be able to pull his strings without Trump knowing. It's one thing to have a leader who views the relationship with Putin as a useful geopolitical tool. It's another thing when the leader of the Western alliance seems to think that Putin is actually a friend of his, with the rights and claims on him a friend has, while he views the NATO alliance as basically a business arrangement that could be broken as easily as he stiffs contractors.

[alvarez]

It's been a while since I've stopped by the Order of the Swastika, so I thought I'd see how everyone is doing.  Looks like not much has changed.

Must be a sad day for the people here.  For the Americans who for years had no problem with, or actively supported, assassination, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and the war on journalism, as long as you got health care - looks like you won't be getting health care anymore.  The families of your victims must be crying their eyes out at the thought that the people who have no problem killing then won't get their subsidised health care.  Is there no justice in the world?

For the obedient colonists in Canada and Europe, who look the other way at the terroristic activities of certain other presidential candidates, because she wasn't bombing you - we'll discover if Canada and Europe stay off limits to Americans "fighting for their freedom".  If so, we'll also discover if your attitudes towards assassination change when the victims are white instead of brown.

And don't forget, the person bringing you this message must be a Trump supporter, because according to Retard Logic, Trump supporters are the only people who wouldn't want to queue up to suck your glorious neo-Nazi ****s.

Congratulations, justice will soon be served to a group of truly evil people.  The problem is, your punishment will be inflicted on everyone else, too.

[smartcooky]

It's been a while since I've stopped by the Order of the Swastika, so I thought I'd see how everyone is doing.  Looks like not much has changed.

Must be a sad day for the people here.  For the Americans who for years had no problem with, or actively supported, assassination, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and the war on journalism, as long as you got health care - looks like you won't be getting health care anymore.  The families of your victims must be crying their eyes out at the thought that the people who have no problem killing then won't get their subsidised health care.  Is there no justice in the world?

For the obedient colonists in Canada and Europe, who look the other way at the terroristic activities of certain other presidential candidates, because she wasn't bombing you - we'll discover if Canada and Europe stay off limits to Americans "fighting for their freedom".  If so, we'll also discover if your attitudes towards assassination change when the victims are white instead of brown.

And don't forget, the person bringing you this message must be a Trump supporter, because according to Retard Logic, Trump supporters are the only people who wouldn't want to queue up to suck your glorious neo-Nazi ****s.

Congratulations, justice will soon be served to a group of truly evil people.  The problem is, your punishment will be inflicted on everyone else, too.

If I am parsing your post correctly, you think this forum's membership is entirely made up of Trump supporters, and that makes us all neo-Nazis?

OK, I'll bite. I am a supporter of environmental organisations (financial contributor to both Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd - some would argue that the latter makes ME a supporter of terrorism). I am a 20 year veteran of our armed forces and have served in combat zones in the Middle East. I am also a long time "Labour" (centre-left) candidate voter although my party vote has been going to the Green Party since the early 1990s.

I think the election of Trump to POTUS is greatest setback to the environmental movement this planet has ever seen. He will undo years of hard work and hard-won progress done by the environmental lobby world wide. Trump is a rampant misogynist, a racist, a pathological liar and an adherent to some of the world's most barmy conspiracy theories. He is a potential disaster for the Pale Blue dot... his election to office could well be the entry Earth's entry point to "The Great Filter".

All this makes me a neo-Nazi? OK, got it.

[BazBear]

It's been a while since I've stopped by the Order of the Swastika, so I thought I'd see how everyone is doing.  Looks like not much has changed.

Must be a sad day for the people here.  For the Americans who for years had no problem with, or actively supported, assassination, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and the war on journalism, as long as you got health care - looks like you won't be getting health care anymore.  The families of your victims must be crying their eyes out at the thought that the people who have no problem killing then won't get their subsidised health care.  Is there no justice in the world?

For the obedient colonists in Canada and Europe, who look the other way at the terroristic activities of certain other presidential candidates, because she wasn't bombing you - we'll discover if Canada and Europe stay off limits to Americans "fighting for their freedom".  If so, we'll also discover if your attitudes towards assassination change when the victims are white instead of brown.

And don't forget, the person bringing you this message must be a Trump supporter, because according to Retard Logic, Trump supporters are the only people who wouldn't want to queue up to suck your glorious neo-Nazi ****s.

Congratulations, justice will soon be served to a group of truly evil people.  The problem is, your punishment will be inflicted on everyone else, too.

What on Terra are you fuxxing talking about? Ranting is all well and good, but sometimes rants make people look less than rational (to be civil).

[BazBear]

It's been a while since I've stopped by the Order of the Swastika, so I thought I'd see how everyone is doing.  Looks like not much has changed.

Do you have any evidence of fascistic posting by the regulars here?

Must be a sad day for the people here.  For the Americans who for years had no problem with, or actively supported, assassination, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and the war on journalism, as long as you got health care - looks like you won't be getting health care anymore.  The families of your victims must be crying their eyes out at the thought that the people who have no problem killing then won't get their subsidised health care.  Is there no justice in the world?

WTF does this mean? Pure ranting as far as I can tell.

For the obedient colonists in Canada and Europe, who look the other way at the terroristic activities of certain other presidential candidates, because she wasn't bombing you - we'll discover if Canada and Europe stay off limits to Americans "fighting for their freedom".  If so, we'll also discover if your attitudes towards assassination change when the victims are white instead of brown.

Once again, WTF does this mean? Pure ranting as far as I can tell... again.

And don't forget, the person bringing you this message must be a Trump supporter, because according to Retard Logic, Trump supporters are the only people who wouldn't want to queue up to suck your glorious neo-Nazi ****s.

Read my last two replies.

Congratulations, justice will soon be served to a group of truly evil people.  The problem is, your punishment will be inflicted on everyone else, too.

1) I didn't vote for the Trumpster, 2) I suspect - but don't know - that most of the regulars here didn't either, and 3) stick your neo-Nazi accusations where the sun don't shine.

WTF are you on?

[Peter B]

It's been a while since I've stopped by the Order of the Swastika, so I thought I'd see how everyone is doing.  Looks like not much has changed.

Must be a sad day for the people here.  For the Americans who for years had no problem with, or actively supported, assassination, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and the war on journalism, as long as you got health care - looks like you won't be getting health care anymore.  The families of your victims must be crying their eyes out at the thought that the people who have no problem killing then won't get their subsidised health care.  Is there no justice in the world?

For the obedient colonists in Canada and Europe, who look the other way at the terroristic activities of certain other presidential candidates, because she wasn't bombing you - we'll discover if Canada and Europe stay off limits to Americans "fighting for their freedom".  If so, we'll also discover if your attitudes towards assassination change when the victims are white instead of brown.

And don't forget, the person bringing you this message must be a Trump supporter, because according to Retard Logic, Trump supporters are the only people who wouldn't want to queue up to suck your glorious neo-Nazi ****s.

Congratulations, justice will soon be served to a group of truly evil people.  The problem is, your punishment will be inflicted on everyone else, too.

If I am parsing your post correctly, you think this forum's membership is entirely made up of Trump supporters, and that makes us all neo-Nazis?

[snip]

*sigh*

No, our friend Alvarez is an anti-Obama/Clinton person (see the bolded bit above).

I'm curious, Alvarez, where do you live?

[Zakalwe]

Blimey....it's been a while since this place had a proper, spittle-flecked, swivel-eyed ranger on here.