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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2012, 08:01:45 PM »
And the tether and straps?

Easy. Notice how White is spinning all around, struggling to gain control as he wrestles with mobility. This also produces R(.), or relative velocity.
The straps are only moving relative to his body as he bumps into them. The Gemini 4 spacewalk is clearly real. It looks MUCH more convincing than
the Shenzhou spacewalk.
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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2012, 08:02:47 PM »
I have seen it. I have it. That doesn't answer the question about the upward floating of the tether and the straps seen in that film.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2012, 08:03:39 PM »
I have seen it. I have it. That doesn't answer the question about the upward floating of the tether and the straps seen in that film.

I just did answer the question.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2012, 08:04:30 PM »
And the tether and straps?

Easy. Notice how White is spinning all around, struggling to gain control as he wrestles with mobility. This also produces R(.), or relative velocity.
The straps are only moving relative to his body as he bumps into them. The Gemini 4 spacewalk is clearly real. It looks MUCH more convincing than
the Shenzhou spacewalk.

And what is happening to the tethers in the Shenzhou spacewalk? They disappear down inside the hatch. What's happening down there?

And what about the strap on White's spacesuit? What makes that float upwards?
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2012, 08:04:44 PM »
The glove was bumped by White's pilot if I remember correctly. In fact, I think he even tossed it up to him.

Ed White was the Pilot, the other man present was the mission commander Jim McDivvit.

Now what evidence do you have that the glove was "bumped" or "tossed" by McDivvit?
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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2012, 08:05:25 PM »

I just did answer the question.

Yes, but look at the timing of our posts. You answered it while I was typing that reply.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2012, 08:05:53 PM »
The glove was bumped by White's pilot if I remember correctly. In fact, I think he even tossed it up to him.

Ed White was the Pilot, the other man present was the mission commander Jim McDivvit.
Now what evidence do you have that the glove was "bumped" or "tossed" by McDivvit?

I think the transmissions kind of suggest it.
Ed says something like, "That looks like a (?) glove."
"That's exactly what is was, Ed!"

Much like he realized he had tossed it up to him.
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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2012, 08:06:11 PM »

I just did answer the question.

Yes, but look at the timing of our posts. You answered it while I was typing that reply.

No problem.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2012, 08:07:54 PM »
Now what evidence do you have that the glove was "bumped" or "tossed" by McDivvit?

It also doesn't matter. The glove had to be bumped by someone or something to float upward. Newton's laws dictate so.
"An object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an unbalanced force."

The hose in the Shenzhou video seems to keep floating up by itself.
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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2012, 08:10:14 PM »
The glove had to be bumped by someone or something to float upward. Newton's laws dictate so.

A moment ago, it was McDivvit that tossed the glove. Now it might be "something". I can hear the sound of goalposts moving.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2012, 08:12:01 PM »
The glove had to be bumped by someone or something to float upward. Newton's laws dictate so.

A moment ago, it was McDivvit that tossed the glove. Now it might be "something". I can hear the sound of goalposts moving.

No, I still think it was McDivvit, I'm making a point that someone or something did touch the glove.
The fact is, there is nothing acting on the hose in the Shenzhou footage. It just floats up by itself. This is not a thread to argue Gemini (which I believe), it's a thread to discuss Shenzhou.

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I still agree with this statement and am not hiding or retracting it:

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I think the transmissions kind of suggest it.
Ed says something like, "That looks like a (?) glove."
"That's exactly what is was, Ed!"
-Me.
"It looks better now, Al. What change did you make?"
"I just hit it on the top with my hammer."

-Mission Control and Alan Bean on Apollo 12 after the TV camera failed.

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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2012, 08:17:04 PM »
I think the transmissions kind of suggest it.
Ed says something like, "That looks like a (?) glove."
"That's exactly what is was, Ed!"
-Me.
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The only thing that can be ascertained from that quote is that the two astronauts agree on the identity of the item that floats by.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2012, 08:18:33 PM »
I think the transmissions kind of suggest it.
Ed says something like, "That looks like a (?) glove."
"That's exactly what is was, Ed!"
-Me.

The only thing that can be ascertained from that quote is that the two astronauts agree on the identity of the item that floats by.
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The glove was unable to be seen by McDivvit unless he knew what it was already, as it was in space by the time Ed mentioned it. He must have saw it leave previously or made it leave himself.

Wait a minute....... Are you saying that an object doesn't need a force to move in space??
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2012, 08:18:45 PM »
The fact is, there is nothing acting on the hose in the Shenzhou footage. It just floats up by itself.

How do you that it wasn't bumped or tossed by another taikonaut, or that it had been under tension and subsequently been released?

Do you know what Occam's Razor is?
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2012, 08:20:09 PM »
The glove was unable to be seen by McDivvit

How do you know this? Proof would be greatly appreciated.
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