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Offline ChrLz

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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #135 on: June 22, 2012, 03:54:37 AM »
Applause from me too - you guys said it all very succinctly and patiently (skills I don't always possess..)

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« Reply #136 on: June 22, 2012, 05:28:29 AM »
Thank you both.

And, Vincent, you may want to keep in mind the fact that Andromeda has degrees in physics, so when she assesses our comments regarding the physics of the situation as excellent, that carries some weight.
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« Reply #137 on: June 22, 2012, 06:52:18 AM »
Thank you both.

And, Vincent, you may want to keep in mind the fact that Andromeda has degrees in physics, so when she assesses our comments regarding the physics of the situation as excellent, that carries some weight.

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« Reply #138 on: June 22, 2012, 02:50:50 PM »
Jason, you're quite a lucky guy.  I'm just throwing that out there.
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« Reply #139 on: June 23, 2012, 01:41:34 PM »
Jason, you're quite a lucky guy.  I'm just throwing that out there.

He knows.  I tell him so every day.   ;D
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« Reply #140 on: June 24, 2012, 02:39:03 PM »
Something tells me Vincent won't post back until he really carries out that underwater test.
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« Reply #141 on: June 24, 2012, 03:22:31 PM »
Something tells me Vincent won't post back until he really carries out that underwater test.

Or at least not until he thinks we've forgotten about this thread.
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« Reply #142 on: June 24, 2012, 03:22:55 PM »
What he's forgotten is that we have long memories around here.
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« Reply #143 on: June 24, 2012, 03:43:31 PM »
No, no. I've been very busy responding to other things on my time on the internet -- which has been very little to say the least. I was gone all day yesterday and the day before and I've been building a spacecraft simulator.

As for Shenzhou 7, I will say this. It is my belief that the space walk was not real. I have seen evidence for things that simply look exactly like it was shot underwater. That being said, I will leave it at that until I have conducted an experiment to prove my point. I am simply waiting for my friend's GoPro to be back in action again.
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« Reply #144 on: June 24, 2012, 04:29:25 PM »
Well I'm glad that a bunch of more experienced people telling you it looks nothing like underwater and is not in fact remotely suspect in appearance means absolutely nothing. Glad we didn't waste our time then...

Did you even read and understand our responses?
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« Reply #145 on: June 24, 2012, 04:44:51 PM »
Oh, also, the Moonwalk the astronauts did has always been cool.
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« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2012, 04:45:52 PM »
As for the Earth and the Sun, I will say this.  It is my belief that the Sun revolves around the Earth.  I have seen evidence for the motion of the sun that simply looks exactly like it's revolving around the Earth.  That being said, I will leave it at that until I have conducted an experiment to prove my point.  I am simply waiting for my friend's Geocentric Simulator to be back in action again.
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Re: Shenzhou 7?
« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2012, 06:18:27 PM »
Well I'm glad that a bunch of more experienced people telling you it looks nothing like underwater and is not in fact remotely suspect in appearance means absolutely nothing. Glad we didn't waste our time then...
Did you even read and understand our responses?

Yes, I read them, but I believe you are DEFINITELY wrong. It donned on me last night when I was in the pool, actually. I noticed that the legs of my swim trunks were moving and oscillating back and forth when I achieved perfect neutral buoyancy to the point where they were moving back and forth for up to a minute. Especially if I moved them myself, they would continue to swing back and forth until I came back up to the surface or ruined my neutral buoyancy. Essentially, this proves that a flag CAN move back and forth without stopping simply by flicking your hand underwater. I imagine that speeding up the footage would make the movement even MORE visible.
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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2012, 06:20:24 PM »
Well, it's nice to know that China are so inept (because they're ignorant commies, of course), that they can stage a huge hoax that any kid in his back yard could spot (but all the experts, for some reason, can't), building the command module and the rocket and everything just to fake it all...

Sure sounds efficient.
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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2012, 06:21:40 PM »
Also, maybe the tether did move from shape memory, but this doesn't explain Zhai's legs flying up when he is not even moving. A human being's legs don't want to fly up relative to the camera just because. If you don't believe me, watch the bodily control the astronauts doing ISS spacewalks can achieve. Parts of their body don't just float against their will. Zhai, on the other hand, shows us the exact opposite. This kind of "floating leg" visual is often what happens to you underwater. Try it. Don't achieve neutral buyoancy, just go down to the bottom of the pool and hold onto something. Your legs and the back of your body will try to fly up towards the surface. In space, this is not AT ALL the case.
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