"Electron" Rocket makes New Zealand the 11th country to join the space club

[Obviousman]

Why do they use .govt instead of .gov?

And as a proud Australian, I fully understand why you prefer the fern.

[smartcooky]

Why do they use .govt instead of .gov?

The .gov domain is exclusively the US government. I don't know why they use .govt.nz and not .gov.nz

I could ask same about Australia. Why do you use com.au and not .co.au?

And as a proud Australian, I fully understand why you prefer the fern.

Cheers, but it's not just my preference. its actually official. The fern is a registered trademark. No-one else can use it without infringing on that trademark.

More importantly, as I have pointed out several times to gwiz (and he wilfully refuses to understand) we use the Silver Fern in exactly the same way that American private companies use the Stars and Stripes, while our our Government uses the NZ flag in the same way the US Government uses the US flag.

The thing that gwiz doesn't seem to get, is that the US Government uses the same flag that private American companies use as an emblem, while in NZ the government uses the NZ Flag and private companies use the Silver Fern. The context in which RocketLab puts the Stars and Stripes on the Electron rocket is exactly the same as the context in which they put the Silver Fern on the rocket.

This is really not confusing (several countries do something similar - Switzerland uses a stylized Crossbow, Canada uses just the red Maple Leaf, South Africa uses Protea, which is slowly replacing the Springbok due to the latter's racial connotations) but this is too hard for Brits to understand... apparently. 

[gwiz]

... the burden of proof is still  yours.

You've already admitted my main point:

Yes, a US owned launch vehicle...

[smartcooky]

... the burden of proof is still  yours.

You've already admitted my main point:

Yes, a US owned launch vehicle...

So, you've moved the goalposts from mission patch (when you were shown to be wrong) to flag, then moved them again (when you were shown to be wrong) to this; cherry picking a quote entirely out of context. For the record the whole quote was...

Yes, a US owned launch vehicle...
Conceived in New Zealand by the New Zealander who started Rocket Lab in New Zealand
Designed in New Zealand by New Zealand aerospace engineers
Built in New Zealand by New Zealand engineers
Supported by the New Zealand government
Launched from New Zealand at a site owned by a New Zealand/American Aerospace company.
Claimed by Rocket Lab (you know, the actual company that launched it) to be a New Zealand launch.

And of top of that, you still wilfully refuse to understand facts. That's another three actions from the CT playbook.

I repeat. The internationally accepted facts, confirmed by the actual company that launched the the vehicle, is that this was a New Zealand launch. The facts are in my corner, the burden of proof is yours. Are you sure to still want to carry on being handed your arse?

[gwiz]

So, you've moved the goalposts from mission patch (when you were shown to be wrong) to flag, then moved them again (when you were shown to be wrong) to this...

Go back to the first page of this thread and see where I started.  What determines the country of launch?  Location of launch site or ownership of the vehicle?  We've been around a lot of side-issues since then, but my goalposts remain in place.

[smartcooky]

go back to the first page of this thread and see where I started.  What determines the country of launch?  Location of launch site or ownership of the vehicle?  We've been around a lot of side-issues since then, but my goalposts remain in place.

In Government space (e.g. NASA) the government of the country owns the vehicle. In private space, the private company owns the launch vehicle

RockletLab is a combined New Zealand and USA owned company, registered both in New Zealand and the USA. Most importantly, it is in the NZ Companies Register as a New Zealand company, NOT as a an ASIC or non-ASIC company.

There are two types of overseas companies that are allowed to register in New Zealand:
ASIC (Australian Securities and Investments Commission) – which is the term used for Australian companies
NON-ASIC – which captures Companies from the rest of the world.

Companies such as Lockheed, General Electric etc are ASIC registered (note the entity type)

http://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/co/1121666

http://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/co/382905

RocketLab is registered as a New Zealand company, ergo, it is a New Zealand company

http://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/co/1835428
 
Therefore the launch is both a New Zealand launch and an American launch. Any way you slice it, that makes New Zealand the eleventh country in the world to put a satellite into orbit.

While I agreed with you that Electron is a US launch vehicle, I made it clear that I did not accept that it is exclusively a US launch vehicle (you tried to make it appear I did by cherry picking my post). I went on to argue that it is also a New Zealand launch vehicle. Every time you moved the goalposts, I countered your move with facts and evidence; my assertions are all supported with facts and evidence, some of those facts were determined by asking the actual people involved. Your assertions are totally unsupported. IMO you have simply moved the goalpost back to where they were. You may think that your goalposts are still in place, but they are missing the uprights!

[Obviousman]

The .govt seems to be in the minority. .gov is used by Australia:

e.g. http://www.defence.gov.au

By the UK:

e.g. http://www.gateway.gov.uk

By Singapore:

e.g. http://www.mindef.gov.sg

It's like the co / com thing. I don't know which is the "standard" one and which is the "alternative" one... if there are even such beasts.

*sigh* I'm sooo confused!

[gwiz]

While I agreed with you that Electron is a US launch vehicle, I made it clear that I did not accept that it is exclusively a US launch vehicle (you tried to make it appear I did by cherry picking my post).

The first time I used your quote (Feb 28th) I acknowledged the NZ input to the project.

We are clearly not going to agree on this, but if you allow for multiple countries being involved, you might be dropping New Zealand down from 11th on the list.  Multiple country involvement gives plenty of scope for argument about the inclusion of Australia, Italy, Ukraine and South Korea, not to mention all the participants in multi-national efforts like ESA and Sea Launch.

[smartcooky]

While I agreed with you that Electron is a US launch vehicle, I made it clear that I did not accept that it is exclusively a US launch vehicle (you tried to make it appear I did by cherry picking my post).

The first time I used your quote (Feb 28th) I acknowledged the NZ input to the project.

We are clearly not going to agree on this, but if you allow for multiple countries being involved, you might be dropping New Zealand down from 11th on the list.  Multiple country involvement gives plenty of scope for argument about the inclusion of Australia, Italy, Ukraine and South Korea, not to mention all the participants in multi-national efforts like ESA and Sea Launch.

I don't much care whether we agree or not. I know I'm right; the reality is that NZ is the 11th country to launch to orbit is an accepted fact. Even Rocket Lab (a company you claim is American) is saying so. That claim is not being challenged by anyone except you, and you have singularly failed to prove your claim. 

[Geordie]

The .govt seems to be in the minority. .gov is used by Australia:

e.g. http://www.defence.gov.au

By the UK:

e.g. http://www.gateway.gov.uk

By Singapore:

e.g. http://www.mindef.gov.sg

It's like the co / com thing. I don't know which is the "standard" one and which is the "alternative" one... if there are even such beasts.

*sigh* I'm sooo confused!

We are in the process of switching from gc.ca (Gouvernement du Canada etc.) to canada.ca.  E.g. https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans.html was http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/index-eng.htm .

As far as co / com goes I would say they're both alternatives, with one having appeared earlier.