New interview: Joe Rogan and Bart Sibrel

[beedarko]

A few thoughts:

- At 30:00-ish, Bart rehashes the tired old trope about the Apollo 11 crew being in "low earth orbit" despite his claim being debunked, dissected and dismantled thoroughly over the past two decades.  The poor guy just can't bring himself to admit defeat on this easily disproved allegation.

- Rogan is not very good at steel-manning an argument.  His biases from 15 years ago still hinder his ability to think rationally on the topic, and he has a bad habit of making false, pointless concessions.

- Despite supposedly doing a 180 on his moon landing beliefs, Joe is still of the opinion that some of the official NASA photos were "faked".  Naturally Bart seizes on these admissions like a pit bull on a pork chop, as the lisp and spittle intensify.

- Despite 2 and 3, Rogan does manage to challenge Bart on several occasions, clearly annoying him in the process.  Bart is not used to this, as he typically only accepts interviews with "friendlies" who let his asinine assertions slide while they serve up the next volley of softball questions.  At one point he becomes so flustered that he asks Joe (essentially) which side of the debate he's on.

[TimberWolfAu]

I'd love to see Sibrel in a debate, he really isn't used to people questioning him. Oh, and don't forget he's got a contact in CNSA, wont tell us who though  Pretty sure most people know who he's referring too, a certain 'not a Dr'

[beedarko]

I'd love to see Sibrel in a debate, he really isn't used to people questioning him.

Oh yeah, he'll never allow a direct debate.  He's much too afraid of having his empire of lies exposed, knowing he can't defend them in real time.  Bart always requires a safety net.

Probably the closest thing you'll see to a direct confrontation was the time I challenged him to answer for his claims in the chat room during his appearance on Team Alpha.  He acknowledged me but then got pissy and summarily ignored all my questions.

[Obviousman]

I'd like to see HIM ambushed with cameras and mics, bombarded with questions. It would make interesting viewing.

[JayUtah]

Oh yeah, he'll never allow a direct debate.  He's much too afraid of having his empire of lies exposed, knowing he can't defend them in real time.  Bart always requires a safety net.

Even then it's iffy. He was invited to appear on the Channel 4 program I participated in. It wouldn't have been a live debate or an ambush. He would have had his own segment, filmed separately, just like all the other talent. To this day he maintains he wanted to appear, but was denied for ideological reasons. The real reason was that he demanded a $2500 appearance fee. He priced himself out of the market. I gather this whole hoax thing has never been anything more than a convenient grift for him.

[beedarko]

I gather this whole hoax thing has never been anything more than a convenient grift for him.

Globe earth realists have a name for people who pretend to be flat-earthers.  I think it probably applies to Bart too.

[jfb]

Eh -- I think "grifter" is the more accurate term.  True Poes (hah) aren't motivated by money, at least not in my experience. 

But my experience could be limited.

[beedarko]

Eh -- I think "grifter" is the more accurate term.  True Poes (hah) aren't motivated by money, at least not in my experience. 

Is that why they've all monetized their channels on X?

[JayUtah]

Eh -- I think "grifter" is the more accurate term.  True Poes (hah) aren't motivated by money, at least not in my experience. 

But my experience could be limited.

I'd wager everyone's experience is limited because the number of nationally recognized Apollo hoax proponents is fairly limited. Ralph René was considerably motivated by money. In my private interactions with him, I never got a good handle on whether he believed his own bunk. But he definitely considered it a money-making activity, and he was livid that people like David Percy and Bart Sibrel had stolen his market. He also alleged that they stole his material, which is questionable.

[Donnie B.]

For those interested, Dave McKeegan has done a nice rebuttal YouTube video to the Sibrel-Rogan interview.  He does his usual excellent job, though it's infuriating to see Sibrel's despicable accusations about AS-204 again (grrr).