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Offline Mag40

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #165 on: December 09, 2024, 04:37:22 PM »
TBFDU cheer-leading club on full alert. Seriously what the hell is he even doing bringing this up. "My mate Jarrah says", blah-de, blah-de, blah.



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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #166 on: December 09, 2024, 05:06:07 PM »
TBFDU cheer-leading club on full alert. Seriously what the hell is he even doing bringing this up. "My mate Jarrah says", blah-de, blah-de, blah.
Are you still in high school?

Objectively, from what I have seen so far, I find Jarrah's intelligence, skillset, maturity and intellectual integrity to be well above the average of that which I find here in these forums.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #167 on: December 09, 2024, 05:13:12 PM »
Are you still in high school?
They don't have them in Blighty. Still the snide remarks eh?
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Nope. You are as far away from objective as you can get.
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, from what I have seen so far, I find Jarrah's intelligence, skillset, maturity and intellectual integrity to be well above the average of that which I find here in these forums.
Awww bless you and your loyalty. I won't laugh at your gullibility.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #168 on: December 09, 2024, 09:25:01 PM »
You're arguing with subject matter experts in fields of aerospace engineering, telecommunications, geology, photography, computer programming, etc., but somehow your 10 minutes of skimming the internet gives you an advantage over decades of study and practice.
You've grossly mischaracterized my research and analysis, and the veracity of the theses, some of which still stand strong.
Nothing you have demonstrated could accurately be characterized as research or analysis. Your theses stand strong only in your own mind. They aren't holding up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

You are continually being caught sharing false information (fake rock from "Denmark"), making egregious errors in modeling (the heat issue in the LM ascent), or making absurd assertions ("the proof is the feasibility"). Whenever you actually admit to the error, you plead making a "rookie" mistake. You demand a rigor in any answer to your claims that you haven't applied to the claims themselves or their sources.

If you are even remotely serious about your intentions stop what you're doing and start over. Wipe your prejudiced conclusion out of your mind and start with no assumptions. Do actual research and go wherever all of the facts take you, instead of choosing only the ones that support the conclusion you seem to so desperately want right now.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #169 on: December 09, 2024, 09:55:21 PM »
You are continually being caught sharing false information (fake rock from "Denmark"), making egregious errors in modeling (the heat issue in the LM ascent), or making absurd assertions ("the proof is the feasibility"). Whenever you actually admit to the error, you plead making a "rookie" mistake. You demand a rigor in any answer to your claims that you haven't applied to the claims themselves or their sources.
Not "continually" - but where I am corrected, I correct my thinking IMMEDIATELY, with gratitude.  I want this correction, and once corrected, I won't revert.  I HATE that lies exist, no matter their bias.  I want to believe only True statements....  so that I can base my conclusions on those.

Part of the reason I'm here, is that many of these things I think will NOT be corrected within the confines of an MLH echo chamber.  I hate this about echo chambers.

If I'm corrected on enough things, then my current views may start to waver, change, or reverse directions.   It happens.

You say nothing I've presented has stood the scrutiny.   If you believe this, please provide for me the a complete scientifically viable hypothesis which explains the 8 flag movements.  Show me that my claim here has been adequately debunked.

I also want to leave a trail in my wake, of the Truth & Lies about various claims... along with the evidence that substantiates it.  Thus I'm creating documents so that this knowledge won't just be "in my head" at the end, but within a suite of folders, documents, images, MP4's, links, and spreadsheets.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #170 on: December 10, 2024, 12:47:08 PM »
You're arguing with subject matter experts in fields of aerospace engineering, telecommunications, geology, photography, computer programming, etc., but somehow your 10 minutes of skimming the internet gives you an advantage over decades of study and practice.
You've grossly mischaracterized my research and analysis, and the veracity of the theses, some of which still stand strong.

No I haven't, because you haven't done any actual research.  Oh, sure, you've read stuff, you've watched videos, you may have taken a few steps into some basic modeling, but that's not research

You don't confirm a hypothesis by looking for evidence that supports it; you look for evidence that refutes it.  You have to throw rocks at it to see how well it stands up.  If your hypothesis is that the landings were faked, then you have to acknowledge and evaluate all the evidence that supports the landings as genuine and see how well your hypothesis stands up to it.  You can't just immediately dismiss it as fabricated in support of some conspiracy -- that's not research, that's crankery. 

You have to read the trade studies, the mission reports, the scientific papers generated from both instruments left on the Moon and samples returned to Earth, you have to get into the weeds on thermodynamics, orbital mechanics, rocket propulsion, telecommunications, guidance and control, all of it.  If nothing else the volume of information will quickly show that the level of effort required to fake everything is on par, if not higher than, the level of effort to do it for real. 

I have seen these same kinds of arguments against evolution, or general relativity, or quantum mechanics, or germ theory, or what have you, for literally decades -- "I have this one weird observation that disproves all of xxx."   

Or, to boil it down to my particular corner of the universe, "my code looks right, therefore the compiler has to be wrong." 

Not how it works.  Not how any of it works. 

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #171 on: December 10, 2024, 01:27:50 PM »
I HATE that lies exist, no matter their bias.  I want to believe only True statements....  so that I can base my conclusions on those.
What you're saying here doesn't match my experience with you on this forum. You have repeatedly presented information as facts, only to have it revealed as false. I'm not talking about differences of opinion; I'm not talking about things that you should have verified before presenting it to anyone. I personally take great pains to vet and verify anything I say in a discussion like this, specifically to avoid propagating misinformation, and because we all carry the burden of being our own fact checkers. Will mistakes be made? Obviously, we're all human. But your mea culpas aren't nearly as valuable as taking your own time to verify your own information before passing it on. Especially with your self proclaimed value on truth. You are too careless with facts, and seem to expect that everyone here has a duty to provide you with whatever proof you're asking for, regardless of how poorly you've researched your thesis.

As JFB indicated, you should be trying to thoroughly refute everything you present yourself first, and only when you can't find an explanation, to ask if other people have a perspective you haven't considered. You've put the conclusion at the front, and it should be the very last step of the process, after examining all of the data.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #172 on: December 10, 2024, 04:10:43 PM »
@LunarOrbit, you concluded the "Flag Waving" thread with 100% inaccurate claim.  I ended this thread asking for anyone to present a comprehensive hypothesis which explains all 8 flag motions.  No one responded with such a hypothesis.   My thesis, remains undebunked - "there exists no known viable comprehensive hypothesis to explain the 8 flag motions"

If anyone wants to put forth such a hypothesis and defend it - -the floor should be theirs.  But they haven't, because they can't.

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Given that no one can -- the thread splinters as you've witnessed.   Yes, this thread should be frozen but not because of your very inaccurate assessment used to forcibly insert your summation at the very end.

This is another example of you running this show like the Salem Witch trial -- forcing a biased, and inaccurate summation at the end... "the verdict".. which was predetermined from the start -- "Apollo was 100% real, and anyone who says otherwise is either stupid, willfully ignorant, or a liar".

Please allow me to insert my own defense to this conclusion...   which is that no one can present a comprehensive viable hypothesis to explain those 8 flag movements.

If you have to use Admin powers to bias things to your favor -- this doesn't look good for the cause which you are defending.




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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #173 on: December 10, 2024, 04:17:48 PM »
@LunarOrbit - I'd also like to start a new thread for this one specific example brought to light in the last day - where Duke spends 1.5 minutes picking up a hammer, because he cannot bend down to get it without use of tongs.   We have MANY examples of astronauts bending down, or just falling down and getting back up, very easily.

As shown here:



These do not match the physics we see at work with this specific Duke example where this feat seems undoable by him.  The MLH explanation is simply that for this specific scene, the upward force of the cable here simply doesn't match either the amount-of-force or the "location of the attachment point(s)" as used for other scenes.   If the cable is attached too high, this explains why he can't just "fall face first, pick up the hammer, then push himself back up" as is done DOZENS of times elsewhere.

Here is the focus footage, where this incident starts at 1:45 and ends at 3:15.

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a16/a16v.1464821.mpg

This one deserves it's own thread.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #174 on: December 10, 2024, 04:18:29 PM »
@LunarOrbit, you concluded the "Flag Waving" thread with 100% inaccurate claim.  I ended this thread asking for anyone to present a comprehensive hypothesis which explains all 8 flag motions.  No one responded with such a hypothesis.   My thesis, remains undebunked - "there exists no known viable comprehensive hypothesis to explain the 8 flag motions"

You failed to make your case. Other members responded to your claim, you rejected their responses for no reason other than that you feel you are smarter than everyone else. Your claim was not proven, therefore there is no reason to throw out all of our history books.

You had your chance. You threw it away by not participating in an honest debate.
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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2024, 04:23:29 PM »
@LunarOrbit - I'd also like to start a new thread

You will not be starting any new threads until you can prove that you can participate in an honest debate by responding satisfactorily to the responses from the other members.

And if you continue to try to circumvent this restriction by taking other threads off topic, I will put you on moderation and your posts will require my approval before they will be visible to others.
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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2024, 04:30:35 PM »
You will not be starting any new threads until you can prove that you can participate in an honest debate by responding satisfactorily to the responses from the other members.
Please indicate for me what points I left unaddressed for the flag?   

Who presented to us a single comprehensive viable hypothesis to explain all 8 flag movements?

Show me, and I'll congratulate them and concede.  Where is this hypothesis that you claim I am ignoring?

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2024, 04:41:41 PM »
You will not be starting any new threads until you can prove that you can participate in an honest debate by responding satisfactorily to the responses from the other members.
Please indicate for me what points I left unaddressed for the flag?   

I'll let anyone reading the forum to be the judge of that. The topic is closed.
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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2024, 05:05:17 PM »
I'll let anyone reading the forum to be the judge of that. The topic is closed.
But you didn't let that be the case - you ended it with a "verdict from you".

I'm asking you to support this clear-cut verdict that you've rendered against me, or to remove it, and then let us each make our "closing statements" - as is appropriate for an "end of debate".  Then freeze it.

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Re: Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked
« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2024, 06:01:24 PM »
I'll let anyone reading the forum to be the judge of that. The topic is closed.
But you didn't let that be the case - you ended it with a "verdict from you".

People are still free to read the thread and form their own opinion. They are even free to start a new thread, if they want.

My personal opinion is that you failed to make your case. You did not convince me.
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