Conclusive Proof the Moon Landings were Faked

[Miss Vocalcord]

So yes, it was clearly "good enough" and they were right. 100%.

Again playing the hindsight card because your logic fails you. This 'good enough' isn't the magic wand you think it is....

[najak]

Take a step back and realise the absurdity of the words that you have just thought of and typed.

The flag was wrinkled.   Starch is just a suggestion.  Whatever they did to prevent it from being "too sensitive to air motions" also cause those unexplained wrinkles.   It should have "hung flat", but it didn't...  So it was stiffened to some degree by some method...

Do we have any other examples of a wrinkly flag?  I'd be happy to be proven wrong that "it's normal for the flag to be wrinkled like this".  It's not a major point for me, just a general observation.

[najak]

Again playing the hindsight card because your logic fails you. This 'good enough' isn't the magic wand you think it is....

How so?  Was this footage shown on live TV?  Perhaps from the get-go, rather than reshooting it, they simply said "we were depressurizing the cabin at this time-- that'll explain it well enough" -- EVEN TODAY -- this explanation still suffices for Apollogists.  No issues at all.

[Miss Vocalcord]

And you really don't see the hindsight? Come on...

"we were depressurizing the cabin at this time-- that'll explain it well enough"

Where did NASA say this?

[Zakalwe]

Take a step back and realise the absurdity of the words that you have just thought of and typed.

The flag was wrinkled.   Starch is just a suggestion.  Whatever they did to prevent it from being "too sensitive to air motions" also cause those unexplained wrinkles.   It should have "hung flat", but it didn't...  So it was stiffened to some degree by some method...

Do we have any other examples of a wrinkly flag?  I'd be happy to be proven wrong that "it's normal for the flag to be wrinkled like this".  It's not a major point for me, just a general observation.

Or, it is acting exactly how a common-or-garden flag acts in a vacuum.


You are so far down the rabbit hole that you have lost all touch with just how absurd and irrational your words sound. You have lost all sense of perspective, which appears to be a trait in your life.

[ApolloEnthusiast]

No, you clearly don't know the actual reason if you'd speculate something so ridiculous to explain it. The reason is not especially difficult to find or understand, so this is just more evidence of you winging it with bizarre hypotheses to explain things you haven't looked into at all.

Please enlighten me.  See if I can learn this one.

Look. It. Up. Enlighten yourself. This is something you should already have investigated thoroughly before trotting out the claim that a disparity between the two is some kind of evidence for an Apollo hoax. It's not my job to do your homework for you.

I am a music teacher with no formal science background whatsoever, and I knew the answer to your perceived anomaly off the top of my head, without needing to be told or needing to search for the information. Surely an intelligent person with a STEM background can get to the bottom of this without begging to be spoon fed.

[najak]

And you really don't see the hindsight? Come on...

See it like this.  The MLH perspective is that "this was faked" (i.e. a magic show).   So the "believer" says to me "well smarty pants, how did he trick us?"   And so I suggest something - then the believer says "but that wouldn't work because of XYZ" -- and so then I respond ... "well them maybe it was ABC..."... and so on.

If deliberate trickery is happening - we can only guess at what they might have done or said.

Given that there STILL exists no viable comprehensive hypothesis for the 8 flag motions -- I'm guessing at "how they might have faked it" and am allowed to change my guesses as they are challenged.  Without a challenger, I'd be in a fruitless boring echo chamber.

You can't say "but you changed your guess!" - as any form of proof.  It just means "I adjusted it based upon your feedback"... etc.  This is how it's supposed to work.  We are trying to figure out how the magician might have done his trick as he "apparently broke physics".

[najak]

Or, it is acting exactly how a common-or-garden flag acts in a vacuum.

Myth-Busters showed a flag in a vacuum, and there was no "vertical wrinkling"...

Here's a shot from the moon, that seems to show unnatural wrinkling, with some vertical components.

[najak]

Look. It. Up. Enlighten yourself.

I looked it up - there is no good reason, other than Apollo's rendezvous weren't real.   What's the reason you think is so obvious?

[najak]

Ironically, here's Myth Busters addressing flag motions, and they end it by saying:

"unless someone can find a shot of the flag waving without someone touching it... it's myth-busted..."

Hmmm., someone should have told them the news.... oh wait -- Google hides this from us on purpose, so we cannot blame them for not knowing.

[Miss Vocalcord]

And you really don't see the hindsight? Come on...

See it like this.  The MLH perspective is that "this was faked" (i.e. a magic show).   So the "believer" says to me "well smarty pants, how did he trick us?"

No all your comments you make about " that'll explain it well enough" is well before the your so called magic show has ever happened.

[onebigmonkey]

Or, it is acting exactly how a common-or-garden flag acts in a vacuum.

Myth-Busters showed a flag in a vacuum, and there was no "vertical wrinkling"...

Here's a shot from the moon, that seems to show unnatural wrinkling, with some vertical components.

Uh-huh...

[najak]

No all your comments you make about " that'll explain it well enough" is well before the your so called magic show has ever happened.

Most things go like this -- you "try to get it right".  Sometimes you miss a mistake, and sometimes you see it, but say "good enough".  Sometimes you see it later, and say "we need to redo this!" or "that's good enough".   Perfectionists weren't in charge here - this was a pragmatic military-run operation.  And their judgement seems to have worked 100%.   55 years later, Apollogists can see their mess-ups and STILL overlook them, even though they cannot be explained.

[Miss Vocalcord]

Here's a shot from the moon, that seems to show unnatural wrinkling, with some vertical components.

Gee, what more differs between the earth and the moon besides the vacuum?

[najak]

Uh-huh...

That's horizontal wrinkling, like curtains due to a bit of scrunching.  What we don't see here is "vertical wrinkling"-- because gravity pulls these wrinkles out...  Unless the cloth is "stiff".