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Offline LunarOrbit

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Is it time to admit defeat?
« on: November 06, 2024, 10:43:10 AM »
Has stupidity won?

People used to say to me "Who cares if they believe the Moon landings were faked? They aren't hurting anyone." But this is where it has led us to... a world where facts don't matter, where history books and photographic proof are not trusted, where experts are ignored, where the Earth is flat, and Donald Trump is President again... but this time without guardrails.

I'm losing hope for the future. We don't have time for a US President who doesn't believe in climate change. I have tremendous concern for the people of Ukraine, and the rest of Europe. I'm scared for the immigrants in the US who will be rounded up and deported (or worse).

We did not learn from history. We are stupid. We are doomed.

I'm sorry for being a downer. I just don't see a silver lining today.

Does anyone want to take over this website? I think I'm getting out of the "defending the United States" business (...no, it's not really a business). Serious offers only... I'm not going to give it to a hoax believer, and I'm not going to shut it down if no one steps up, I'm just not in the mindset to argue over the Moon landings anymore. There are bigger concerns.
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)

Offline grmcdorman

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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2024, 01:08:53 PM »
He also has promised to give the health care system to someone (RFK Jr) who does not believe in the established medical knowledge - most recently public statemants against vaccines and floridation - and control of Goverment jobs to Musk, who is a wrecking ball with no guard rails.

I am depressed as well. I'm not in the US, but I am in Canada, which is going to have to endure whatever happens to the US.

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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2024, 01:21:14 PM »
He also has promised to give the health care system to someone (RFK Jr) who does not believe in the established medical knowledge - most recently public statemants against vaccines and floridation - and control of Goverment jobs to Musk, who is a wrecking ball with no guard rails.

Yeah, even if he only does 10% of the things I'm worried about it will be disastrous. But I think that's the point. He was brought in to destroy the country, not to "make it great".

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I am in Canada

Me too. We have our own Trump wannabe vying to be our next Prime Minister. I guess if there is a silver lining it's that Canadians might wake up when they see the mess Trump is making and not want to go down that same path. It's not looking good, though.
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)

Offline Peter B

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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2024, 05:43:39 PM »
My view is that it's two years to the mid-terms, and that means there's two years to plan and act on turning things around.

That means this website is more important than ever. So I'd encourage you to keep operating the site.

Personally, I've been tossing around the idea of starting a blog to discuss a range of issues from a skeptical point of view. Over the last day I've swung more strongly towards the idea of doing it.
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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2024, 09:56:20 PM »
My view is that it's two years to the mid-terms, and that means there's two years to plan and act on turning things around.

To be honest, I'm not really hopeful that there will be elections again... at least not legitimate ones.

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That means this website is more important than ever. So I'd encourage you to keep operating the site.

I won't shut it down as long as people are still using it.

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Personally, I've been tossing around the idea of starting a blog to discuss a range of issues from a skeptical point of view. Over the last day I've swung more strongly towards the idea of doing it.

You absolutely should. I used to blog before Facebook/Twitter came along and "killed" blogs... but I they're making a comeback. They're good for organizing your thoughts.
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)

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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2024, 10:07:46 PM »
I am depressed as well. I'm not in the US, but I am in Canada, which is going to have to endure whatever happens to the US.

Sorry, guys. It must be like living in the apartment upstairs from a meth lab.

I won't shut it down as long as people are still using it.

I'm not going anywhere.
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Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2024, 10:22:06 PM »
Sorry, guys. It must be like living in the apartment upstairs from a meth lab.

A little bit... ;D

Now many of my fellow Canadians are saying "We should be a meth lab too!"

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I'm not going anywhere.

I'm glad to hear that, Jay. It wouldn't be the same without you.
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.
I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
- Neil Armstrong (1930-2012)