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Offline Mag40

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2024, 03:19:00 AM »
Jarrah posted a link to the IMDB forum you mentioned, his threads are still visible. The only messages of his deleted were deleted by the administrator.  His screenshots show this, but you continue to claim otherwise.  On what evidence do you present your assumptions as fact?
Hearsay. Screenshots show only what was captured after the event. Years and years ago, too long to remember exactly when, there was an archived version of the discussion. TBFDU was extremely rude post after post and appeared to be unable to correctly answer all the points being asked of him. He clearly threw his toys out of the pram.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2024, 03:36:49 AM »
Jarrah posted a link to the IMDB forum you mentioned, his threads are still visible.

The IMDb forums were discontinued and removed in 2017. Here is our contemporaneous discussion of the last time this issue was raised.
https://apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=759.0
I'm not liking to pollute this thread, but am addressing this sub-thread that you raised above.

FYI, I chatted with Jarrah about this, and I continue to be impressed by his overall integrity, attention to detail, and overall intellectual skills.  I'm sure he's far from perfect, but he seems pretty solid to me.

It looks to me like the IMDB forums were simply relocated to a new url.  It's now called MovieChat.org

Below is the link Jarrah posted, that seems to be what you mentioned.  Looks to me like Jarrah did not delete his messages nor did he post a "profanity laden rants", with a quote from you saying that he was "reasonably polite in this discussion so far. It's a pleasant improvement over my expectations based on our past encounters."

So this doesn't seem to match up with your side of this story.  Do you consider your account of things 100% honest?

https://moviechat.org/tt0446557/A-Funny-Thing-Happened-on-the-Way-to-the-Moon/58c7698a6b51e905f686f522/Could-this-be-one-of-the-most-under-appreciated-films-of-its-time


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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2024, 04:25:58 AM »
FYI, I chatted with Jarrah about this.
Did you now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130321060652/http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com:80/group/apollo-hoax/message/224?threaded=1&var=1
This appears to be from 2005, when Jarrah was like 20?  I was a different person when I was 20.   We grow and change a lot in our 20's.  and 30's... and start to brittle up after 40. 

I like who I'm seeing him as now, and so far, I find a lot of value and integrity in the posts of his that I have read and watched.   So far, I hear a lot of "hate" towards him, but without any evidence that he's lacking integrity, at least not for the posts I have been using as source material. 

He's created a LOT of material - so I'm sure you can throw darts and find dozens of mistakes.  I'm more interested in what he thinks NOW.   Not everyone doubles-down on past mistakes; some people realize mistakes and change their beliefs.   He seems to be that type of person... like him or not.


Let's get back on topic now please.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2024, 04:42:00 AM »
This appears to be from 2005, when Jarrah was like 20?  I was a different person when I was 20.
He was 25.   
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We grow and change a lot in our 20's.  and 30's... and start to brittle up after 40. 
So the rudeness he exhibits as standard suddenly went away did it? It was there for that IMDB exchange and equally distasteful!
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Let's get back on topic now please.
The topic has been resolved. You have had it explained to you in simple terms by an expert. Your failure to be able to understand it from lack of expertise and real-world experience is the issue.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2024, 06:22:28 AM »
@TimberWolfAu:

How long before you are ready to continue with your analysis of my 2nd round of Apollo 16 work.  I presented "best attempted image analysis motion" and also the "worst case, assuming some error" - and the worst case still shows 2.36x the rated thrust.  (vs. 2.57x)

I'm interested to know your feedback and thoughts on this.  And thank you again for your involvement and work here.

As I've said before, this is a hobby, and not even one I spend a lot of time on. IF I get to it, then I will get to it when I get to it.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2024, 06:55:18 AM »
The topic has been resolved. You have had it explained to you in simple terms by an expert. Your failure to be able to understand it from lack of expertise and real-world experience is the issue.
Not explained yet.   This is now in progress, to be done after our USA Thanksgiving Holiday weekend.

As we've seen, your idea of "certainty" isn't connected to reality.  You just "say something", then think it's true because you said it.   Trump taught you well. :)


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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #82 on: November 27, 2024, 07:02:38 AM »
As I've said before, this is a hobby, and not even one I spend a lot of time on. IF I get to it, then I will get to it when I get to it.
If the idea of Apollo makes you happy, then you should probably consider not validating the work, so that you can maintain your faith that brings you happiness. :)

The proof of "Too Fast Acceleration" has long been conceded, because it's undeniable.  So much so, that the PNA's have appropriately resorted to saying "yeah, there was a lot more acceleration there but it's explainable... trust me -- as I make some claims but without discussing any math or science."  (That was Braeunig's approach).

So now, @JayUtah has agreed to supply some math reasoning to justify the added 72%+ of acceleration for this engine at launch.

This will be a Christmas Miracle.  I'm preparing my letter of concession to post, as soon as I see this compelling math.






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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #83 on: November 27, 2024, 07:17:46 AM »
As we've seen, your idea of "certainty" isn't connected to reality.  You just "say something", then think it's true because you said it.   Trump taught you well. :)
You and TBFDU must have studied at the same school of "diplomacy". Your childish retorts are very tedious.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2024, 07:30:03 AM »
You and TBFDU must have studied at the same school of "diplomacy". Your childish retorts are very tedious.
My retort was just honest, and well-earned by you, with your certainty of the PLSS hitting the flag, then announcing your victory - despite having literally no evidence to support your 100% certain conclusion.  You have to admit that this is Trumpish behavior, no?   It's OK -- most Americans voted for him.   President is supposed to be a role model right?

We all make mistakes.  But if you can't admit you even made a mistake...  then Trump would be proud of you.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2024, 10:22:07 AM »
My retort was just honest, and well-earned by you, with your certainty of the PLSS hitting the flag, then announcing your victory - despite having literally no evidence to support your 100% certain conclusion.  You have to admit that this is Trumpish behavior, no?   It's OK -- most Americans voted for him.   President is supposed to be a role model right?

We all make mistakes.  But if you can't admit you even made a mistake...  then Trump would be proud of you.
I'm English and I would rather eat my own vomit than vote for that man. Maybe you should stop your own posturing. You're losing badly on all these debates whether you are man enough to admit it or not.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2024, 03:45:09 PM »
I'm English and I would rather eat my own vomit than vote for that man. Maybe you should stop your own posturing. You're losing badly on all these debates whether you are man enough to admit it or not.
Yeah, I'm not a Trump fan either -- but also not a fan of "the System" of which Harris was their puppet.   So I'm neutral on these politics because I despised both options for different reasons.  Trump is like a spoiled man-baby, who has exhibited selfish/narcissistic motives his whole life.

So do you admit your mistake about the PLSS "hitting the flag; argument done; victory declared" ???  If not, then in this way, you are like Trump.

Also - you'll soon need to be admitting that your "falling Dust" line of arguing misses a VERY CRITICAL concept -- "the vacuum effect" which is significant when dealing with a big/wide boot.  The fact that we have dust rising WITH the bottom of the boot at all, is a sure sign of vacuum.   Remove this suction, and the dust beneath the boot stays put (mostly).  But if it rises WITH THE BOOT (despite having no force beneath it to launch it) -- is a sure sign that it was "pulled upwards by the vacuum" -- and therefore will stay close to the boot all the way up, until the boot loses velocity, and thus the vacuum force quickly dissipates, allowing the dust to fall -- which then falls at a MUCH FASTER rate than the astronaut.

Once you incorporate this - you can concede another mistake.  There is no shame in these mistakes, as your underlying conclusions agree with the vast majority of smart people on earth.  You are in good company.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2024, 04:09:11 PM »
Yeah, I'm not a Trump fan either -- but also not a fan of "the System" of which Harris was their puppet.   So I'm neutral on these politics because I despised both options for different reasons.  Trump is like a spoiled man-baby, who has exhibited selfish/narcissistic motives his whole life.

So do you admit your mistake about the PLSS "hitting the flag; argument done; victory declared" ???  If not, then in this way, you are like Trump.

Also - you'll soon need to be admitting that your "falling Dust" line of arguing misses a VERY CRITICAL concept -- "the vacuum effect" which is significant when dealing with a big/wide boot.  The fact that we have dust rising WITH the bottom of the boot at all, is a sure sign of vacuum.   Remove this suction, and the dust beneath the boot stays put (mostly).  But if it rises WITH THE BOOT (despite having no force beneath it to launch it) -- is a sure sign that it was "pulled upwards by the vacuum" -- and therefore will stay close to the boot all the way up, until the boot loses velocity, and thus the vacuum force quickly dissipates, allowing the dust to fall -- which then falls at a MUCH FASTER rate than the astronaut.

Once you incorporate this - you can concede another mistake.  There is no shame in these mistakes, as your underlying conclusions agree with the vast majority of smart people on earth.  You are in good company.
Friction. What are you even doing? Talking about Trump, obfuscating dragged surface material with friction, obsessing over an error already admitted to the person who highlighted it. Certainly not to the person who crows about it like a child.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2024, 04:18:28 PM »
Friction. What are you even doing? Talking about Trump, obfuscating dragged surface material with friction, obsessing over an error already admitted to the person who highlighted it. Certainly not to the person who crows about it like a child.
Winding down the "sand vacuum" discussion here - as we have an appropriate thread for that topic.  Let's discuss it there.

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Re: Hoax? - Lunar Launches - Too Fast
« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2024, 07:14:28 PM »
Winding down the "sand vacuum" discussion here - as we have an appropriate thread for that topic.  Let's discuss it there.
A discussion you needlessly raised here.