Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched

[Luke Pemberton]

Did anybody catch how appalling his logic is here?

It's like watching a police interview. The problem with telling a lie is that you have to be consistent, and eventually you can't keep the consistency.

Same with the moon hoax. Different people trying to tell the same story, but there is no internal consistency. Whereas the Apollo record is internally consistent.

I am still waiting on an answer for my last post to this thread, to what is a relatively simple question.

[bknight]

How does some pillock leaving the door open work? Amazingly only during depressurisation!

With an atmosphere, there are viable alternatives to cause a draft, even if unlikely.

But without an atmosphere, the viable alternatives seem to be ZERO.

Except there is no atmosphere to speak of on the Moon since the LM was not possibly on Earth.

[najak]

OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)^1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?

Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

The MLH theory I've heard involves 144 FPS source frame rate, and an Optical printer.   I believe the technique is described by an anonymous contributor, in a production called "Smoke & Mirrors".  Have you seen it?

This specific aspect of MLH is not one I've studied in detail.  If you think it's something to debunk, start a thread, and you can debunk it there.

[bknight]

What you claim and what you prove are two different things.  Proof of this live broadcast has been slowed by 50 %.

I NEVER claimed this as proof.  In fact, LO FORCED ME to address this off-topic claim within another thread.  So I did as I was MANDATED to do, in hopes of being able to start a new thread someday soon.

As I did was I was mandated, WE discovered that this pendulum using the estimates for length WE came up with, showed a period that was about 10% too fast. (IIRC)..  But more interestingly, from the clip you can see the amplitude reducing to about HALF over this minute.  To me, this doesn't look good for Apollo... that's all I said.   I would NOT include this in my top-list of MLH claims, not by a long-shot.  It just turned out to NOT work out well as the TD's had intended.

Why is it that no one else sees a decrease in amplitude except you?  The tape keeps oscillating for the entire 86 seconds until in intersect with anothe piece of something in the descent stage and STOPS.

[Luke Pemberton]

OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)^1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?

Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

You were discussing film slow down rates in this very thread. I quoted you in the question.

But it is OK, I've found the answer to my question from another one of your posts. My question wasn't really about frame rates and how films are slowed, but rather the history of MLH theory and the internal inconsistencies and its shifting goal posts. It is quite funny that you asked me if I was new to MLH theory. On the contrary.

Do you agree that MLH theory must have a consistent set of premises from the start if it is to be a viable theory?

[TimberWolfAu]

Depressurisation of the LM.

How would this make the Flag come ON the screen and hold there steadily 4x over 3 a minute period?

What is pushing the flag towards the LM?

Multiple events, as the LM Wasn't depressurised in a single step (as confirmed by the science packages and the surface record/procedures).

What is your reason for the flag movement?

[najak]

Why is it that no one else sees a decrease in amplitude except you?  The tape keeps oscillating for the entire 86 seconds until in intersect with anothe piece of something in the descent stage and STOPS.

Here's the video, showing end of Period 2 vs 18.   "Half" is a significant overstatement.  Thanks for challenging it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AEVLayLGbfEPmjx7AVy67R1fmq6oV5WK/view?usp=drive_link

[najak]

Do you agree that MLH theory must have a consistent set of premises from the start if it is to be a viable theory?

"From the start" - if you are talking "history/calendar start" - no.   MLH theory matures, as it is corrected, or new ideas emerge that make more sense.

With MLH we are dealing with "deliberate secrets/tricks - unrevealed" - like trying to guess how the magician did his trick... it might take you a few rounds of guessing... but in the end, even if you don't guess it "correctly", if "it's a trick, it's a trick" - either way.

So the most viable approach we all can take here is to address the "impossibilities within the context of normalcy" where in this context there are no devious/expert/special humans with a high budget trying to fool you.  It makes the process-of-elimination FEASIBLE.   The 8 flag motions is a perfect example of a VERY SIMPLE LUNAR CONTEXT, where there is no force coming TOWARDS the LM.

[najak]

1. Multiple events, as the LM Wasn't depressurised in a single step (as confirmed by the science packages and the surface record/procedures).
2. What is your reason for the flag movement?

1. The issue is WHAT PUSHED IT TOWARDS THE LM??  (slowly, and held it there for 5-15 seconds at a time)..  In the 3rd motion was eve a DUAL-motion -- it first was pushed on a small amount for 5 seconds, then pushed on MORE for another 6 seconds...    This isn't how a pendulum works, or 180 deg rotations...   it requires a steady force, followed by ANOTHER larger steady force.

2. Your guess is as good as mine.  With an atmosphere involved, there are many options.  If one or more of the guys on set weren't fully on board with this hoax, maybe they executed a mistake on purpose.   Here we've got an atmosphere and human trickery (or whistleblowing motives) potentially involved.   While for the Simple Lunar Context - we have nothing to viably explain this.

[TimberWolfAu]

You should watch all the footages of the various flags being setup, they move in some, what would look like to us, strange ways. But then, our whole perception of how a flag moves is based on a freely moving flag in an atmosphere, which Apollo was not.

So you can claim that history is fake, crow that no one can present an appropriate (to you) answer for the movements, despite the main, plausible answer being provided already, but you don't need to provide any details on what was actually happening? So this whole thread is actually pointless, seeing as how you want to be the sole arbiter of what is 'possible' and what is not, and yet, repeatedly, in this thread and others, new information is constantly provided to you, that you were not aware of, and you still think you are a credible source to decide on what was possible?

[najak]

... you want to be the sole arbiter of what is 'possible'

I'm only saying that TD's have not been able to produce a viable explanation for what moved the Flag TOWARDS THE LM, in the manner that we see on film.    I didn't say it's "impossible" with certainty, but it sure seems that way, doesn't it?   Such a SIMPLE CONTEXT, but with no viable explanations for this motion.

What explanation would you all like for me to document as the TD's best attempt?  Give me your best.

Then you decide for yourself if this holds ANY weight at all.   And I'll do the same.   Free thought is a good thing, right?

[bknight]

Why is it that no one else sees a decrease in amplitude except you?  The tape keeps oscillating for the entire 86 seconds until in intersect with anothe piece of something in the descent stage and STOPS.

Here's the video, showing end of Period 2 vs 18.   "Half" is a significant overstatement.  Thanks for challenging it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AEVLayLGbfEPmjx7AVy67R1fmq6oV5WK/view?usp=drive_link

This video has nothing to do with the tape pendulum during A14.  Just like the rest of your poorly researched "evidence"  This sounds like a landing sequence.  You should watch your fingers on the keyboard more carefully--"Thanks for challenging it"
Now I challenge you to watch the entire 86 seconds before telling me stupid remarks instead of two periods you will see that the tape does not stop until after the 18 periods when it interacts with something else and then it stops, does decrease in amplitude.

[bknight]

OK, I agree to simulate moon's gravity the film must be slowed down according to (1.67/9.81)^1/2. So we have to slow the Apollo film from 30 fps to 12.3 fps. Is this the starting point?

Why not create a new thread for this, as it has nothing to do with flag motions?

The MLH theory I've heard involves 144 FPS source frame rate, and an Optical printer.   I believe the technique is described by an anonymous contributor, in a production called "Smoke & Mirrors".  Have you seen it?

This specific aspect of MLH is not one I've studied in detail.  If you think it's something to debunk, start a thread, and you can debunk it there.

Now ex[plain how this is done in real time.  THIS IS NOT A FILM it is real-time TV.

[najak]

This video has nothing to do with the tape pendulum during A14.

This video shows a snapshot of the end-point of the pendulum after period #2, and #18.   You can see that the end-angle is NOT THE SAME.   Period 18 has decreased significantly.  My claim of it being "HALF" was an overstatement, as was your statement of "NO CHANGE"... there's a measurable change here.

[bknight]

This video has nothing to do with the tape pendulum during A14.

This video shows a snapshot of the end-point of the pendulum after period #2, and #18.   You can see that the end-angle is NOT THE SAME.   Period 18 has decreased significantly.  My claim of it being "HALF" was an overstatement, as was your statement of "NO CHANGE"... there's a measurable change here.

The video is of a landing, why don'y you watch the link you provided?