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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #300 on: January 09, 2025, 08:23:15 PM »
The forum doesn't have that capability, unfortunately. That's something I had looked into for Najak before imposing the "no new topics" restriction.

Jason and Jay have made good points. I guess none of us are forced to take part, and there are those claimants who might have new or interesting ideas or just want clarification and are acting in good faith. We should be seen as inviting and cordial and open to questions, otherwise perceptions shift to us being a non-inclusive club. The forum is also self-moderating. There's little foul mouthed abuse, and we hold each other to account when casting aspersions on claimants. I've been pulled up for remarks I have made on a couple of occasions by other members. This sheds good light on us. We want to avoid the aggressive nature and block and ban that less desirable hoax proponents operate.

Also, there's the non-STEM aspect. A test would preclude membership to those who have proficiency in other fields

I have set out my thoughts regarding najak calling it moon hoax theory, namely the theory was proposed by Bill and Ralph. Those initial claims have been debunked. Ergo, the proposed theory is wrong, case closed.

The shifting goal posts in threads and the constant evolution with new claims is tiresome though. A majority of claimants can quite easily be shown that Bill and Ralph were outliers in many aspects. It's a case of how do you close the door quickly on some, and not others who simply have questions.

The current format does have merits such as education for us, and a record of the unreasonable behaviour of others.

It just bugs me that the thousands of people involved in putting those astronauts on the moon, and let's not forget the returning them to Earth part, are besmirched by the arrogance and self-aggrandizing of others.

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« Last Edit: January 09, 2025, 08:49:35 PM by Luke Pemberton »
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #301 on: January 10, 2025, 03:27:57 AM »


Larger font would be better, as my eyesight is getting poorer too.

Assuming you are using Windows: Hold CTRL down and scroll your mouse wheel to adjust the browser font (or alternative controls to suit your OS or controls).
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #302 on: January 10, 2025, 09:20:46 AM »
He's protesting about the injustice of it all on Facebook.

Boohoo.

What name does he post under?

Brian Knox on the The Apollo Moon Hoax (No Flat Earthers) group.

Oh lord, he is actually asking about the C-rock photo...
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #303 on: January 10, 2025, 09:40:22 AM »
He's protesting about the injustice of it all on Facebook.

Boohoo.

What name does he post under?

Brian Knox on the The Apollo Moon Hoax (No Flat Earthers) group.

Oh lord, he is actually asking about the C-rock photo...
There's something wrong. I mean with HB bingo! I've got loads of entries but still can't get a line. Very frustrating.

I recall TBFDU did some facepalming video about this because he got hold of a version of this supposedly "original" that had the C(-rock of shite) on it. Of course as part of the ongoing blunder, he didn't bother obtaining the image preceding it, which doesn't have and has never had the C on.

In reality, he obtained (as far as he knew) a press released photo of this image. This would appear to be where the dodgy print occurred (assuming he hasn't been conned). Of course nowhere does he prove the same photo is the one released to the magazine around the same time without the C on.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50536828@N05/4643351218/




« Last Edit: January 10, 2025, 09:54:19 AM by Mag40 »

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #304 on: January 10, 2025, 10:05:59 AM »
As far as Steve Troy was able to determine, the mark appeared on only one dupe master made or used in 1997. It got used a lot, apparently, but you can certainly find dupes in circulation before and after that don't have the mark. This is the stupidest claim ever.
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #305 on: January 10, 2025, 11:18:33 AM »
As far as Steve Troy was able to determine, the mark appeared on only one dupe master made or used in 1997. It got used a lot, apparently, but you can certainly find dupes in circulation before and after that don't have the mark. This is the stupidest claim ever.

I occasionally see what JW is up too, and saw this video a while ago. I watched it today, after Jason's and Mag's posts. He's still banging on about the C-rock. JW mentions Steve Troy.

To save anyone the 3+ minutes of unwraping, go straight to 3:22.



It is the most ludicrous claim, and anyone who saw Ralph Rene talking about this must have seen...

The guy's clearly off his crumpet.



« Last Edit: January 10, 2025, 11:23:51 AM by Luke Pemberton »
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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #306 on: January 10, 2025, 01:31:41 PM »
As far as Steve Troy was able to determine, the mark appeared on only one dupe master made or used in 1997. It got used a lot, apparently, but you can certainly find dupes in circulation before and after that don't have the mark. This is the stupidest claim ever.

I occasionally see what JW is up too, and saw this video a while ago. I watched it today, after Jason's and Mag's posts. He's still banging on about the C-rock. JW mentions Steve Troy.

To save anyone the 3+ minutes of unwraping, go straight to 3:22.



It is the most ludicrous claim, and anyone who saw Ralph Rene talking about this must have seen...

The guy's clearly off his crumpet.
We can add another thing that Jarrah isn't good at, opening bubble envelopes. I didn't see who sent it to him, nor hear for that matter.  I wonder instead of shipping the image, why not just download a free copy?
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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #307 on: January 10, 2025, 01:46:00 PM »
We can add another thing that Jarrah isn't good at, opening bubble envelopes. I didn't see who sent it to him, nor hear for that matter.  I wonder instead of shipping the image, why not just download a free copy?

I am not au fait with the finer details of C-rock.

I understand Rene saw the C on the rock and claimed it was a prop label but the stage hands forgot to place the label downwards. The C appears in later duplicates of the photo that were used for press releases, and the C is possibly due to the presence of lint in the duplication process. I assume JW wants to show that the C appeared at a date before that posited by Steve Troy.

Mag40 has posted a link to the photo that was released soon after the Apollo 16 landings, and an explanation to JW's motive for obtaining the photo.

In reality, he obtained (as far as he knew) a press released photo of this image. This would appear to be where the dodgy print occurred (assuming he hasn't been conned). Of course nowhere does he prove the same photo is the one released to the magazine around the same time without the C on.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50536828@N05/4643351218/
« Last Edit: January 10, 2025, 03:30:49 PM by Luke Pemberton »
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I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people – Sir Isaac Newton.

A polar orbit would also bypass the SAA - Tim Finch

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Re: Hoax? - Flag moves without being Touched
« Reply #308 on: January 11, 2025, 02:12:14 AM »
I think Jarrah wanted an original for the same reason U do: it's contemporary with no taint from modern tech.

I did a page on the C rock  :)

https://onebigmonkey.com/itburns/c-rock/crock.html