Hoax? - Sand Falls too Fast.

[najak]

Here are a few links that cover the topic if "Sand falling too fast" when the astronauts jump or walk.  The behavior of the sand seems to indicate that the astronaut is being hoisted by a cable to slow his descent, while the sand falls at natural earth gravity.

Footage   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59stz-Qe7Lw
Volley ball comparison:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLjPKjppy_0
FRAME ANALYSIS - PROOF.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgd6fxuEDl0

I am unaware of how PNA's explain this behavior.   I checked my main "Debunking" source and searched for "Sand" and "Gravity", but neither topic was mentioned in the TOC.

Please enlighten me.

[BertieSlack]

Please enlighten me.

The dust didn't get as high off the ground as the astronaut?

[najak]

@BertieSlack, wrote:
"The dust didn't get as high off the ground as the astronaut?"

I appreciate your kind answer, but I'd like to keep this thread from meandering.  Serious answers only.  If you watch the 3rd link, it does a great job of frame capture to show that the sand rises right along with the bottom of his foot, or is kicked upwards from the tops of his feet.  Yet it's falls more than double the speed of the astronauts, indicating the truth of MLH -- these astronauts are being hoisted by a thin cable to help simulate lunar gravity, while the sand is only influenced by the earth's gravity.

Here's the 3rd link again:  https://youtu.be/cgd6fxuEDl0?t=40

[Obviousman]

I don't respond to clickbait. YOU are making the extraordinary claim; YOU prove that the motion is incorrect. Explain what is happening, why it must be wrong, and how the only alternative must be wires.

All you have done is basically say: it's wrong with no supporting evidence.

This isn't our first rodeo, sunshine.

[najak]

I don't respond to clickbait. YOU are making the extraordinary claim; YOU prove that the motion is incorrect. Explain what is happening, why it must be wrong, and how the only alternative must be wires.  All you have done is basically say: it's wrong with no supporting evidence.

The supporting evidence is shown best in the 3rd link.  Stop frames show the sand initially rising the same speed as the foot (some cases, the sand is on TOP of the foot, so has to rise with the foot, while other sand is tightly below the foot, so nearly the same speed as the foot).

Yet the sand falls more than 2X as fast.   The video shows the evidence.  How do you explain this sand falling so quickly, while the astronaut does not?

The 3rd link mostly stands alone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgd6fxuEDl0&t=40s

[BertieSlack]

How do you explain this sand falling so quickly

Are you a flat earther? Flerfers can't think in three dimensions either.
BTW - if the astronaut was on a wire, how come he take exactly the same time to go up as he does to come down?

[Mag40]

I knew these would come in handy. Here is an animated gif of the famous jump salute.


Obviously there is a nice little parabolic arc of dust between John Young's boots. He goes up and so does the parabolic arc. Same time, same height. If he's on wires, so is the dust.

This one is a brilliant debunk of this dopey claim. The footage where Gene Cernan does his hippity-hoppity routine closes this case in one tiny segment.

[najak]

If the astronaut was on a wire, how come he take exactly the same time to go up as he does to come down?

Again, it seems I'm dealing with people here who do not understand basic simple high school physics. 

If the astronaut and fake-suit weigh 200 lbs combined, and the wire is applying a constant 100 lbs upward force... then his jump trajectory will still follow a near-perfect parabola, with the launch speed being the same as the landing speed.   Do I really need to make a physics-proof for you, for you to understand this?  This is basic high school physics concept.   Please learn this math/physics, before commenting on physics topics.

@Allen F - you promised me "smart scientific minds" here.  Please summon them, ASAP.

I suspect the smartest minds are staying out of this, because it's a losing battle for them.  Apollo is "breaking physics" here, which is impossible.

[BertieSlack]

If the astronaut and fake-suit weigh 200 lbs combined, and the wire is applying a constant 100 lbs upward force...

Think about what you just wrote, and then deal with what Mag40 just showed you.