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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2025, 12:18:08 PM »
Oh My goodness! It was a trick! A trap! A ruse! He's so ignorant of the actual transcripts he was hoping someone else would go through it them and find Earth references so he could post the actual Earth elevations.

Or at least that would have worked if he still wasn't insisting that the elevation is around 70 degrees, which absolutely no-one else, and no astronomical software ever, will state that it is.

Whiel verifying (again) that he doesn't know what he's talking about (he doesn't), I finally got around to correcting Stellarium's 'moon' landscape. It gives the location as that of the LM, whereas it's actually taken from Station 9, and has south incorrectly positioned.

Attached is  the Stellarium Landscapes folder for the moon that is more accurate.
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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2025, 12:59:27 PM »
Straydog02 has found this panorama

https://moonpans.com/vr/apollo17_eva3.htm?r=j

which he thinks proves that Apollo 17's Earth was high in the sky.

It hasn't occurred to him that the black in the moonpans sky might be filled in.

Here's the actual pan



Here's a photo taken at the LM



and here's that photo superimposed on the pan.



Looking a lot like how Stellarium says it should:


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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2025, 05:07:56 PM »
The above Stellarium screenshot has been pointed out to the little doggy. He has dismissed it, because he has this idea that Stellarium references the horizon in the picture, not the true horizon. He's absolutely deluded in that, because all the scenery consists of is a png file. There's nothing in it for the software to reference other than it's location on the lunar surface. The figures it is quoting are from a datum. The standard issue of Stellarium (as I pointed out earlier) has the Apollo 17 site incorrectly plotted and it will still give the same values as the one in my corrected model.

He has never used the software, and has no idea how it works. Just to please him, however, here's exactly the same location and date with zero landscape.



He's also claimed that there are functions in the LRO's quickmap that can show the Earth in the lunar sky, and that it shows Earth at 70 degrees,

It does not. You can display an image of Earth with data describing its location, but it doesn't place it in the correct location.

Here's a snip from a recording I made of Taurus Littrow with the date set at the Apollo 17 EVA, and with the Earth showing. The elevation angle is blurry, but it is very definitely around 44 degrees. It's kind of ironic that straydog02 is putting such faith in the accuracy and fidelity of the LRO when elsewhere he's claiming it's all faked.



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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2025, 09:51:18 PM »
In a similar vein, the worlds greatest quantum physicist, 'Rasaviharii', is currently crowing that he got ChatGPT to agree that Apollo didn't happen, because the astronauts couldn't take the gloves off, over on his FB group (where I'm currently suspended).

So now the high level of research performed by the worlds greatest quantum physicist is to prod ChatGPT until it says what he wants it too.

Maybe he should just stick to how shadows and triangles work.

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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2025, 12:38:51 AM »
In a similar vein, the worlds greatest quantum physicist, 'Rasaviharii', is currently crowing that he got ChatGPT to agree that Apollo didn't happen, because the astronauts couldn't take the gloves off, over on his FB group (where I'm currently suspended).

So now the high level of research performed by the worlds greatest quantum physicist is to prod ChatGPT until it says what he wants it too.

Maybe he should just stick to how shadows and triangles work.
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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2025, 08:57:34 AM »
Not being on FB or ChatGP, I work with my hand behind me.  But how does not being able to take gloves off prove that Apollo didn't happen?

The idea is that the astronauts had to be able to put on and remove their EVA gloves, but apparently, according to 'Rasa', you need a "bare hand" in order to utilise the locking ring.

His "proof"? A ChatGPT conversation. No docs, no examples, no videos of people trying to use the locking rings while wearing EVA gloves to show it couldn't happen, nope. Just a conversation with an AI that can be convinced the Earth is flat without too much difficulty. Colour me shocked, but I don't find that in the slight bit convincing.

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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2025, 03:20:55 PM »
Not being on FB or ChatGP, I work with my hand behind me.  But how does not being able to take gloves off prove that Apollo didn't happen?

The idea is that the astronauts had to be able to put on and remove their EVA gloves, but apparently, according to 'Rasa', you need a "bare hand" in order to utilise the locking ring.

His "proof"? A ChatGPT conversation. No docs, no examples, no videos of people trying to use the locking rings while wearing EVA gloves to show it couldn't happen, nope. Just a conversation with an AI that can be convinced the Earth is flat without too much difficulty. Colour me shocked, but I don't find that in the slight bit convincing.

This is the sort of argument/question I see a fair bit from hoax believers when they're "just asking questions". It's as though if some task is objectively difficult to do while wearing a spacesuit, they can't conceive of engineers designing and testing the relevant equipment to make it easier for the astronauts to do that task while wearing a spacesuit.

Hard for astronauts to adjust the settings on the camera? Put a large button and paddles onto the camera for their fat fingers.

Hard to aim the cameras without a viewfinder? Get the astronauts to practice using the camera.
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Re: Watching the detectives...
« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2025, 03:52:36 AM »
This is the sort of argument/question I see a fair bit from hoax believers when they're "just asking questions". It's as though if some task is objectively difficult to do while wearing a spacesuit, they can't conceive of engineers designing and testing the relevant equipment to make it easier for the astronauts to do that task while wearing a spacesuit.

Yes, they seem to be utterly unable to grasp the concept of integrated design programmes as part of the overall project. It's like they think they just went out a found a spacesuit to use rather than the reality of the spacesuit being designed specifically with the kind of tasks they would have to do on the Moon in mind, and the things they would have to use on the Moon taking into account the spacesuit in their design or modifications.

The simplest version of that argument is the old chestnut about spacesuits ballooning in a vacuum. The idea that this would render the suit completely useless for any kind of activity and would therefore be designed out by the simple expedient of adding a restraint layer (which they all have experience of in their life since many pneumatic and hydraulic systems, and even simple garden hoses, use restraint layers) just doesn't seem to occur.

So here we have another variation on a decades old theme.
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