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Lunar surface models
« on: November 21, 2025, 03:08:07 AM »
You quite often see this image touted around as some sort of proof of something or other - "Hey look, they used models":

https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/project-lola/



It's currently on Rasa's fb group with someone using it as an example of how "they" could simulate it.

It got me thinking - I wonder where that photo is that he's holding, how big an area we looking at here? I mean, obviously it's a large curved model so it must be big, but hoaxers are dumb and they need the obvious pointing out to them.

After some hunting I found it - it's the red square here:



and here it is in close-up:



It's an area around 570km by 570km. It's huge.

Just one thing though - it's all upside down! This is the actual orientation as we see it:



So there we are. Next time somone tries their big "a-haaa" - ask them to point out an Apollo landing site on it.

On the subject of models, someone else has posted this on that same group:



I can tell him the tools we use: our eyes. What happens when the get closer and closer to the model's surface no additional detail is resolved. What happens with the Apollo footage is that more and more detail is resolved. Details unknown prior to the footage being taken. Details confirmed by numerous post-Apollo photos. The special ability is "using your brain". Oh..wait...

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2025, 01:08:39 AM »
Is that image of the craters dubbed 'Snowman'?

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2025, 10:02:42 AM »
Is that image of the craters dubbed 'Snowman'?

No. "Snowman" would be around here, the red circle.

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2025, 01:24:15 PM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2025, 10:34:22 PM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2025, 12:13:44 AM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Let's see if I can load a picture...

ETA: Nope.

I have a PDF. Is it possible to upload that into the post? If so, could someone please explain how? Thank you!
« Last Edit: December 10, 2025, 12:18:56 AM by Peter B »
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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2025, 12:13:52 AM »
and here it is in close-up:

If I'm not mistaken, that big crater straight in front of him is this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaeus_%28lunar_crater%29
Ptolemaeus - Type: Crater - Diameter: 153.669 km

Looks to be about 1.4m round - give or take.

Now for all those HBs who suggest NASA used something this massive to fake anything:

A crater 1.53 kilometres across is going to be 1.4 centimetres wide.
A crater 153 metres across is going to be 1.4 millimetres wide.

Armstrong visited Little West Crater.
Little West Crater is 30m across, that would be 0.28 millimetres wide!

Here it is on the landing approach video against Google Moon:


That "big" crater has hundreds of tiny ones, some less than a metre wide, which on that scale would be about
a hundredth of a millimetre!

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2025, 02:57:38 AM »
There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

Attached is a similar view from the LRO, which the body parts circled!

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2025, 04:26:43 AM »
If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Heh, I read your reply and I'm like, "isn't that what I said?". Scroll back up.... nope, I wrote "right", when in my head I was saying "left".......... Is it Friday yet?

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Re: Lunar surface models
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2025, 03:39:34 PM »
If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Heh, I read your reply and I'm like, "isn't that what I said?". Scroll back up.... nope, I wrote "right", when in my head I was saying "left".......... Is it Friday yet?

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