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Offline gwiz

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2013, 10:21:02 AM »
Eternidad - For "Check Aldrin's Accouterments" (sic), I suggest you look at some high-resolution versions of the photos, for instance here:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/

You will find that the alleged missing antenna is present in all except AS11-40-5903, where it is cropped by the edge of the frame.  The other alleged differences are simply the effects of different lighting from photo to photo, made worse by the use of low-res copies.  For example, the "high boots" are clearly there in AS11-40-5875.
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Offline gillianren

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2013, 11:22:21 AM »
Well.  No point in my bothering to waste my time/damage my eyes with that site, is there?  Why is anyone still taking Jack White seriously enough to plagiarize him?
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Re: Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2013, 11:23:10 AM »
It's Irish.

<pendant>Made by a British company and shown first on British TV</pendant>

 ;D
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Re: Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2013, 11:43:59 AM »
<pendant>Made by a British company and shown first on British TV</pendant>

<pedant>It's "pedant".</pedant>

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2013, 12:03:52 PM »
Within forty years of the Wright Brothers flight across the Atlantic Ocean in 1903...

I'm not a member on the JREF boards.  Someone should nominate that for a stundie.

Someone did.
I was surprised that no one beat me to it.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2013, 12:08:04 PM »
Here is my new page

http://apollo22.blogspot.co.uk/

Plagiarized nonsense, debunked long ago.
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Re: Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »
It's Irish.

<pendant>Made by a British company and shown first on British TV</pendant>

 ;D

<pedant mode as well> It was an Anglo-Irish affair. It was written by two Irishmen, had virtually all Irish actors and all of the external shooting was done in Ireland. </pedant mode as well>
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #113 on: January 08, 2013, 01:00:56 PM »
Urgh.  You know Blogspot do provide templates.  Your blog doesn't need to look like it was written by hand in 1991.

Good to see the Jack White (hee hee I nearly wrote Hack White by mistake; fraudian finger slip) shrinking mountains example.  I loved reading the debunking of that by Jay.

Loved looking at the photos.  Wish White's crap wasn't all over them though.

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2013, 03:42:37 PM »
Your blog doesn't need to look like it was written by hand in 1991.

<archer> But it doesn't not have to look like it was written by hand in 1991, right? </archer>

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I loved reading the debunking of that by Jay.

It's the very classic Jack-White crop-'n'-resize trick.  I don't know if he ever managed to figure out why that doesn't work as an analysis technique.  Really the man's apparent incompetence was so egregious that we constantly debated whether he were really that clueless or what.  I tend to think he really believed it himself on some level, but was so enamored of the attention he got that he never strayed from the pattern of making sure he only wrote and spoke from behind carefully fortified trenches.  It was very telling to hear him talk on Education Forum about how he consulted "for three days" with my friend John, a moderately well known documentary producer, about lunar surface photography when in fact it was less than half a day and, also in fact, he was actually being set up by John.  It's telling because I think we get a sense of how White's ego was so very prominently inflated in his own mind.

But back to the matter at hand, it's obvious that our newcomer has put very little effort into his site, at least in the sense of advancing the argument.  In fact he's stuck in the conspiracy claims of at least ten years ago, if not earlier.  The fact that he is oblivious to long-standing answers to his challenges means there isn't much to notice.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2013, 03:52:36 PM »
Jay, Eternidad195 is female.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2013, 03:55:34 PM »
Your blog doesn't need to look like it was written by hand in 1991.

<archer> But it doesn't not have to look like it was written by hand in 1991, right? </archer>

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I loved reading the debunking of that by Jay.

It's the very classic Jack-White crop-'n'-resize trick.  I don't know if he ever managed to figure out why that doesn't work as an analysis technique.  Really the man's apparent incompetence was so egregious that we constantly debated whether he were really that clueless or what.  I tend to think he really believed it himself on some level, but was so enamored of the attention he got that he never strayed from the pattern of making sure he only wrote and spoke from behind carefully fortified trenches.  It was very telling to hear him talk on Education Forum about how he consulted "for three days" with my friend John, a moderately well known documentary producer, about lunar surface photography when in fact it was less than half a day and, also in fact, he was actually being set up by John.  It's telling because I think we get a sense of how White's ego was so very prominently inflated in his own mind.

But back to the matter at hand, it's obvious that our newcomer has put very little effort into his site, at least in the sense of advancing the argument.  In fact he's stuck in the conspiracy claims of at least ten years ago, if not earlier.  The fact that he is oblivious to long-standing answers to his challenges means there isn't much to notice.
The transcript of White's testimony before the congressional committee is pretty telling in itself. It's hard to believe that an individual would actually subject himself to that level of humiliation if he didn't - on some level - believe that his claims had some validity.
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2013, 04:09:55 PM »
The transcript of White's testimony before the congressional committee is pretty telling in itself. It's hard to believe that an individual would actually subject himself to that level of humiliation if he didn't - on some level - believe that his claims had some validity.

The transcript is at http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/hscawhte.htm, for those who haven't encountered it.

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Mr. GOLDSMITH. Mr. White, answer my question. Did you compute photogrammetrically----
Mr. WHITE. What is "photogrammetrically"? Describe to me what "photogrammetrically" is.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I just have one more question Mr. White. Do you know what photogrammetry is?
Mr. WHITE. No.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I have no further questions. Thank you. Chairman STOKES. The committee will recess until 1:30 p.m. this afternoon.


I'm not sure whether the use of the cropping trick was an indication that he was playing dumb (and outright lying) in his other claims, or if he really was that spectacularly deficient in spatial reasoning ability and did it purely by accident or by following some misguided "technique". (or got them from someone else...)

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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2013, 04:28:57 PM »
Jay, Eternidad195 is female.

s/him/her/g
s/he/she/g

Actually I question whether the poster is human.  Any proof?
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Re: NASA's 30 Billion Dollar Scam
« Reply #119 on: January 08, 2013, 04:34:13 PM »
Jay, Eternidad195 is female.

s/him/her/g
s/he/she/g

Actually I question whether the poster is human.  Any proof?

Of being a human??!

Hmm - a captcha/Turing test for new members?
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