Apollo 13

[smartcooky]

MindKontrol  ULTRA.

Thing is, MKUltra did some real damage to real people. It wasn't just a CT BS story like Majestic 12.

MKUltra was real

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

[sts60]

Still no answer. OK. Main thing is that my observation that three days in tinfoil and no climate control in deep space IS a new observation has been confirmed. I just wanted to make sure I was the first to point that out. Thanks, guys.

By the way, Allan, you're not the first Apollo hoax believer to claim something was fishy about Apollo 13.  Heck, there was a thread on BABB a dozen years ago where one guy claimed it should have been much hotter inside the vehicles, but he stubbornly refused to consider the thermodynamic realities involved.

The point of this is to illustrate your lack of familiarity with the Apollo record and the staleness of the hoax claims in general.  And the point of that is to try to get you to think about your attitude of certainty that you are right and everyone here who disagrees with you is wrong, deluded, or "evil".

How about it?  Are you willing to learn something?

[Laurel]

Thing is, MKUltra did some real damage to real people. It wasn't just a CT BS story like Majestic 12.

MKUltra was real

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Yes, and that's why it's so offensive to call people MKUltra victims just because they don't agree with you. It trivializes the suffering of actual MKUltra victims.

[raven]

That's . . . putting it mildly.

[Noldi400]

MindKontrol  ULTRA.

Thing is, MKUltra did some real damage to real people. It wasn't just a CT BS story like Majestic 12.

MKUltra was real

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Well, sure. But aren't most CT's based on actual events that the woos have built up, basically, urban legends around?

[mako88sb]

MindKontrol  ULTRA.

Thing is, MKUltra did some real damage to real people. It wasn't just a CT BS story like Majestic 12.

MKUltra was real

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Quite awhile ago, someone pointed out to hunchbacked that the statements he made about the astronauts just acting out the lunar missions didn't make sense as the way their voices sounded pretty convincing that they were actually experiencing something real and incredible. That's when he made the first claim I know of that obviously they were under the influence of drugs and/or mind control. He cited the fact that the CIA had been performing experiments so of course that's good enough for him to state his opinion as a a fact rather then some crazy conspiracy theory.

[Laurel]

Quite awhile ago, someone pointed out to hunchbacked that the statements he made about the astronauts just acting out the lunar missions didn't make sense as the way their voices sounded was pretty convincing that they were actually experiencing something real and incredible. That's when he made the first claim I know of that obviously they were under the influence of drugs and/or mind control. He cited the fact that the CIA had been performing experiments so of course that's good enough for him to state his opinion as a a fact rather then some crazy conspiracy theory.

He wasn't the first to make this claim. In 1996, Bill Kaysing called Jim Lovell a "comic Manchurian Candidate" who was "either brainwashed, hypnotized, programmed or whatever to present this spurious story of having gone to the moon."
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.25.96/moon-9630.html

[Bob B.]

He wasn't the first to make this claim. In 1996, Bill Kaysing called Jim Lovell a "comic Manchurian Candidate" who was "either brainwashed, hypnotized, programmed or whatever to present this spurious story of having gone to the moon."

Is that the same Bill Kaysing that tried to sue Lovell for calling him "wacky"? 

[raven]

He wasn't the first to make this claim. In 1996, Bill Kaysing called Jim Lovell a "comic Manchurian Candidate" who was "either brainwashed, hypnotized, programmed or whatever to present this spurious story of having gone to the moon."

Is that the same Bill Kaysing that tried to sue Lovell for calling him "wacky"? 

Dear gods, is there more than one?!
But yes, most certainly. It's like the pot calling a recently polished kettle black, no?

[Andromeda]

Thing is, MKUltra did some real damage to real people. It wasn't just a CT BS story like Majestic 12.

MKUltra was real

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Yes, and that's why it's so offensive to call people MKUltra victims just because they don't agree with you. It trivializes the suffering of actual MKUltra victims.

I just find the idea of claiming that such tactics would be used to populate a small message board is completely ridiculous.  Surely the OP wasn't serious, I figured he was just lashing out.

[darren r]

I just find the idea of claiming that such tactics would be used to populate a small message board is completely ridiculous.  Surely the OP wasn't serious, I figured he was just lashing out.

Sadly, after having looked at his website, I think you're giving him too much credit.

[AtomicDog]

Allancw, I see that you visited this thread this morning. Care to comment?

[allancw]

Atomicdog: Nothing better to do than keep track of my Net wanderings? Why not leave that to your associates at NSA?

A related subject: Yes, I was drawn back by amazement at the man-hours/tax dollars expended here...

Try this:

One reply I can picture: 'Since Bean was totally ignorant of the VARB, it's only logical that he would be totally ignorant about the functioning of his spacecraft...' Might work...

[AtomicDog]

My associates at the NSA?  Bwa-ha ha ha! I'm a semi-retired flea market booth owner who has to sell off his comic book collection to make ends meet! That's why I have so much time to follow your meanderings here.
  You interested in some 80s Wolverines, near mint?

[frenat]

Atomicdog: Nothing better to do than keep track of my Net wanderings? Why not leave that to your associates at NSA?

A related subject: Yes, I was drawn back by amazement at the man-hours/tax dollars expended here...

Have any proof that ANY money is spent here?  I'll bet you don't.  All you have is paranoia.

it is truly a mark of a desperate person when they claim all their opponents are paid to oppose them. 

As for the LM, I don't have complete knowledge of its thermal control (though undoubtedly far more than you) but I would think that its final state is going to depend on multiple things.  First you have time.  Eventually the LM will reach an equilibrium.  With its outside surface being reflective that won't happen immediately and may very likely get colder before it gets hotter.  Unlike you I'm willing to be corrected on this though.  What also occurs to me is that Apollo 13 suffered a total power failure while Bean was talking about JUST a loss of climate control.  Heat in the LM came from more than just the climate control.  IIRC all the other machinery put out quite a bit of heat.  If those are still on but the climate control is not then it would get hotter.  If everything was off it would likely get colder.  Of course you could figure this all out yourself if you bothered to do the slightest bit of research.  That would involve more than doing a ctrl-f in sources handed to you though.  It would involve actual effort and understanding and frankly I doubt you'll put forward either.