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Offline JayUtah

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #120 on: September 30, 2014, 03:01:15 PM »
[Y]ou guys have no idea how many times I've skipped pages and pages because it's all math.

Sometimes we skim the math too.  It's like reading a judge's ruling.  Somewhere in there you know there's the nugget of the line of reasoning he uses, and the part where he says what he rules and why.  But all those lengthy citations and references have to be in there to give it a proper legal foundation.

Engineering documents have to read the same way.  You don't need to grasp all the math necessarily unless you want to debate the correctness of the conclusion.  The math is there to give the reasoning a proper mathematical foundation, but a well written paper or post will provide textual descriptions as well.
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2014, 04:16:06 PM »
Can I ask a practical question? Are we doing Stonehenge tomorrow night?

18"  18'


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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2014, 07:51:50 PM »
Gig's off. The drummer exploded.

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2014, 08:38:02 PM »
Gig's off. The drummer exploded.


Again???

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #124 on: October 01, 2014, 06:46:55 AM »
Whose vomit was involved this time?
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #125 on: October 04, 2014, 09:57:35 AM »
I thought it was a bizarre gardening accident that the police said, "Better left unsolved."
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #126 on: October 04, 2014, 10:03:15 PM »
I haven't read through all 9 pages of this discussion, so if I'm duplicating someone's link, I apologize.

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/JWhite.htm

That, combined with Colophon's video are a pretty good start. <gross understatement>

I keep thinking about Colonel Kilroy's line in _Apocalypse Now_, "Don't these people ever give up?" (or something like that)
Oops! Maybe that wasn't such a good example.
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Offline Luke Pemberton

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2014, 02:39:38 PM »
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/JWhite.htm

That, combined with Colophon's video are a pretty good start. <gross understatement>

Well worth duplicating. I really like the coin analogy that Bob produced, and it is worth mentioning again how good it is.
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #128 on: October 16, 2014, 03:13:55 AM »

Well worth duplicating. I really like the coin analogy that Bob produced, and it is worth mentioning again how good it is.

On Wunder-Blunder's thread on the NVIDIA video, I gave a watered down version of it so that people of YT hoax-nut mentality might get it. For JW's off-the-wall inclusion of 10 MeV and 100 MeV electrons, where he got an average of 55 MeV, I proposed an example of 100 coins consisting of dimes, (10 cents @), and dollars, (100 cents @). I asked, "What's the average value of the coins?" Any halfway logical person would say, "I don't know unless you tell me how many are dimes and how many are dollars."

I went on to say that the average is most definitely not 55 cents if 99 of the coins are dimes and one is a dollar. I could have extended the analogy, but stopped there. To drop the other shoe, I would ask, now what if we're talking about a billion coins where 999,999,990 are pennies, (one cent), 9 are dimes, and one is a dollar? Now what's the average value? Well, the answer is almost exactly one cent. The overwhelming majority of pennies makes both the dimes and dollars virtually meaningless.

As a final kick, I would add that in a fair analogy, there wouldn't be _any_ dollar coins in the first place, and even if there were, they have been declared no longer legal tender and have zero value -- analogous to the fact that 100 MeV electrons would go right through the astronauts, imparting almost no energy to their bodies. (I didn't know that until I read Braeunig's article.)

I wonder if Wunder-Blunder understands this coin concept. Or is your and my history with him a good predictor that he just lacks that kind of mathematical or logical thinking ability?
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #129 on: October 16, 2014, 06:34:54 PM »
I've written a response to JW's response.  Scroll to the bottom of the page (you may need to refresh if the page is in your cache).

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/JWhite.htm

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2014, 06:36:35 PM »
On Wunder-Blunder's thread on the NVIDIA video, I gave a watered down version of it so that people of YT hoax-nut mentality might get it.

I looked for that but couldn't find it.  Can you provide a link?

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2014, 06:55:32 PM »
I just noticed that I uploaded my review of JW's video on September 24 and his video updates are dated September 25.  The only place that I made any public announcement about my review was in this thread.

Hi, Jarrah!  How you doing?  ;D

Offline AstroBrant

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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #132 on: October 16, 2014, 07:46:43 PM »
I've written a response to JW's response.  Scroll to the bottom of the page (you may need to refresh if the page is in your cache).

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/JWhite.htm

Ah, you're _that_ Bob B! Glad you're a member here, and it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. Excellent refutation of Wunder-Blunder's calculations, (for all I know). I read it twice and learned a lot.

I assume that you and I and probably all the other members here are sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting for his inevitable response. After all, he does seem to assume that he is a supreme authority on space radiation, physics, geology, copyright law, photography, and Anime. Such prodigious intellect compels our attention!

"The blood Rene compels you! The blood of Rene compels you! The blood of Rene compels you! ... Jarrah himself compels you!
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2014, 07:54:16 PM »
On Wunder-Blunder's thread on the NVIDIA video, I gave a watered down version of it so that people of YT hoax-nut mentality might get it.

I looked for that but couldn't find it.  Can you provide a link?

Here's the video.
As of a couple of days ago, his thread was right near the top.

I discovered that I couldn't see it, either. I thought that it was because I was blocked and it carried over to anything he posts, with this new system. I was able to see it using another account. If you are blocked on his channel, that might be why you can't see it.
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Re: A rebuttal to Jarrah's latest masterpiece
« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2014, 07:55:33 PM »
it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Same to you.