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Offline AstroBrant

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2014, 08:26:19 PM »
Roentgens?  That's like measuring fuel flow in hogsheads per fortnight.  (All due deference to you folks in the U.K., but "fortnight" to us in the U.S. seems appropriately archaic.) And yeah, that probably means he's following the Blunder's lead and relying on stuff from the late 1950s.

Ha! I was trying to think of an archaic analogy, like doing eye surgery in fractions of a furlong, but I like yours better.

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To him, "Can we agree that the data are correct?" is indistinguishable from questions of applicability.  To him, "correct" includes "applicable," and it's a massive paradigm shift for him to believe that those may be two separate concepts.

It's really no different than his misunderstanding of the Saturn V issue.  Once he gets it in his head that "Jay admits the plans were lost," there is no prying him loose from his simplistic understanding of how aerospace designs really are documented.  In his mind any concession, no matter how carefully qualified or explained, validates his simplistic misunderstandings.

You've given an example and so has BPR. Here's mine: for over a year Adrian kept spamming me with, "Then you agree that NASA has altered photos." I repeatedly told him I was on to his game and I wasn't going to play it, because I knew he would completely ignore any qualifications I would make, and then he would go off bragging that "Apollo defender agrees that NASA altered the photographic record." Despite the number of times I told him I wasn't going to fall for his deceptive trick, he kept trying it. I likened it to a mother whose son is hiding behind the sofa:

Mom: Billy, I know you're behind the sofa.
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Mom: Billy, you can come out from behind the sofa now.
<silence>
Mom: Billy, I can see your feet. The game is over. Come out from behind the sofa.
<silence>
Mom: BILLY! That's enough! Get out from behind the sofa! NOW!
Billy: I'm not behind the sofa. 
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2014, 06:47:54 AM »
Roentgens?  That's like measuring fuel flow in hogsheads per fortnight.  (All due deference to you folks in the U.K., but "fortnight" to us in the U.S. seems appropriately archaic.) And yeah, that probably means he's following the Blunder's lead and relying on stuff from the late 1950s.
I would say it is from this article in time magazine from 1958
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863443-1,00.html
This article is also mentioned in the comments in Jarrah's last video with this quote

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The radiation zone is by no means a "death belt" that will keep humans from reaching space, but it might do some damage to men who live for a long time in a satellite. Van Allen figured that the radiation level inside the satellite might reach about 0.06 roentgens per hour. At this rate a man would receive in five hours his maximum weekly permissible dose of 0.3 roentgens. A small amount of lead shielding would reduce the dose to a supportable level. The crew of an outbound spaceship need not worry about the radiation belt. If moving fast enough to leave the earth, they would pass through it in about 20 minutes.

It is rather incredible how one could extract something like Adrian's text from the above quote, but I guess you have to be a believer to understand that.

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2014, 07:17:50 AM »
A good spot Miss Vocal, I wonder what tangent his next Gish Gallop will take? :)
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2014, 07:54:55 AM »
A good spot Miss Vocal, I wonder what tangent his next Gish Gallop will take? :)
He did mention in one of his repetitive comments the numbers were coming from van Allen himself.

My guess is he is going to try this radiation dose for a couple of times and then most likely will find some other quote which will be removed from any context. 

Or he might google what 'aperture' really does... 
I still wonder why he is so silent about his great discovery which should have exposed the Apollo missions. :)

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2014, 10:28:43 AM »
He did mention in one of his repetitive comments the numbers were coming from van Allen himself.

I have another quote from Van Allen himself.  It says the radiation hoax argument is nonsense.
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2014, 10:42:11 AM »
I have another quote from Van Allen himself.  It says the radiation hoax argument is nonsense.
Right, but just look at the quote from which he cherry picked, it starts with
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The radiation zone is by no means a "death belt" that will keep humans from reaching space...
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The crew of an outbound spaceship need not worry about the radiation belt. If moving fast enough to leave the earth, they would pass through it in about 20 minutes.
Adrian's blind spot has been able to complete ignore these and filter out only the "weekly permissible dose of 0.3 roentgens" it seems like. Oh boy the diopter of the glasses he must wear

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2014, 11:17:26 AM »
AwE130 Adrian gets told off by his father..

"Wise men speak because they have something to say!" "Fools speak, because they have to say something!" (Plato)

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2014, 12:06:21 PM »
Adrian's blind spot has been able to complete ignore these and filter out only the "weekly permissible dose of 0.3 roentgens" it seems like. Oh boy the diopter of the glasses he must wear

Sometimes I think it would be interesting to install something like a counter for all those HBs, who are citing from articles or papers, although these papers do support Apollo. I've seen it so many times from people like Turbonium, Heiwa, Cosmored and several others.
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #98 on: November 05, 2014, 04:30:14 PM »
I found all the quotes Adrian plagiarized while refusing repeated requests for the source. They were written by none other than Sir Bernard Lovell, in his book, The Exploration of Outer Space, pp 64 & 65, published in 1960.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1960Obs....80...64L&db_key=AST&page_ind=0&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES

I will post this information on Adrian's web page, his Infowars entry, and anywhere else I find it. I am now interested if Lovell's claim about the level of cosmic ray radiation was ever specifically refuted or retracted. 
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #99 on: November 05, 2014, 05:09:58 PM »
Can hardly wait to see his response AB, I believe he knows he is on a loser he is on another GG on infowars.

He claims that AS15-82-11140 and AS15-82-11141 show a set of disappearing footprints. It took me exactly 2 seconds to spot where they had gone. AS15-82-11141 is a close up and the original footprints in AS15-82-11140 are out of frame. But additionally the journal carries a full explaination, that the footprints were kicked over, you can even see that some of the larger rocks have moved in between frames.
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2014, 08:35:44 PM »
AwE130 Adrian gets told off by his father..



I think that would make a great picture for the Thematic Apperception Test. I'd tell the psychiatrist, "The man is saying, 'Son, I'm sorry, but we just can't keep all the kittens.'"

The shrink is thinking, "Okay, this guy is pretty normal."

Then I'd be tempted to say, "So, Jeffrey, you're going to have to decide which one to keep as a sex slave and which seven we chop up for dinner."
But I digress...

I saw Adrian's hot new discovery just minutes before seeing your post. I also noticed, right at the very end of his video clip, that Dave (?) was taking a hop forward, probably for 11141. We don't get to see the end of it, though. Do you think he cut it out on purpose?

Naahh. He's not that smart.
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #101 on: November 06, 2014, 12:48:14 AM »
Well one of his main pieces of stupid is claiming that the footage he has is 16mm, when it was live TV.

I've taken lots of screenshots of that TV footage and identified the rocks in them in LRO images. You can see features in the rille behind them that are also seen in the 16mm ascent footage, LRO and more importantly Chandrayaan shots of the area.

Every single aspect of the Apollo evidence holds together. Adrian's garbage can't even hold his own water.

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #102 on: November 06, 2014, 08:07:11 AM »
Flipping eck, casually wandered down the pipe that led to that collection of ramblings on youtube and he has one up for the Virgin Galactic crash, commenting as if he knows anything and is to be taken seriously.


Just why?

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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #103 on: November 06, 2014, 08:50:09 AM »
Flipping eck, casually wandered down the pipe that led to that collection of ramblings on youtube and he has one up for the Virgin Galactic crash, commenting as if he knows anything and is to be taken seriously.

Was that 'faked' too? Or was the pilot 'murdered' because he was about to expose the project?
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Re: UH-OH! More bad info for Wunder-Blunder to use!
« Reply #104 on: November 06, 2014, 09:27:32 AM »
Flipping eck, casually wandered down the pipe that led to that collection of ramblings on youtube and he has one up for the Virgin Galactic crash, commenting as if he knows anything and is to be taken seriously.

Was that 'faked' too? Or was the pilot 'murdered' because he was about to expose the project?

Sounds like he is doing a technical critique. At least the words are in that order, not sure he knows the subject though.....



Edit. Looks like he just got up as well, wonder if he gets alerts to news stories in this vein so he can comment online quickly to get hits on his counter.
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