I don’t know if man went to the moon in the sixties

[gillianren]

Everything I can add to this conversation has been said, and said better, by others, so I just I wish I had a dozen more sets of hands so I could facepalm more.

I'm pretty much there myself.  I can't usually refute Moon hoax arguments, because I am not an expert in the various scientific and technical fields.  When I can, it's usually a sign that the person making the arguments doesn't know any science whatsoever.

[raven]

I'm pretty much there myself.  I can't usually refute Moon hoax arguments, because I am not an expert in the various scientific and technical fields.  When I can, it's usually a sign that the person making the arguments doesn't know any science whatsoever.

(Un)luckily for us, that is generally the case.

[Nowhere Man]

Everything I can add to this conversation has been said, and said better, by others, so I just I wish I had a dozen more sets of hands so I could facepalm more.

This may help.

Fred

[LunarOrbit]

I do not agree you see the moon unlike the earth does Emmit lot and lots oflight when The  moon is full. Albedo is not measured by percent Actually the lower the albedo the more light is being emitted I attached a real picture of the moon it is definitely emitting light

Did you recently attend a lecture by Bill Nye in Waco, Texas, DAKDAK?

Bill Nye - "The Science Guy" - booed in Texas for saying the moon reflects the sun

Nye somehow managed to offend a group of adults in Waco when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun.

As even most elementary-school graduates know, the moon reflects the light of the sun but produces no light of its own.

But don't tell that to the good people of Waco, who were "visibly angered by what some perceived as irreverence," according to the Waco Tribune.

Nye got people riled up when he brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."

The lesser light  he pointed out, is not a light at all, but only a reflector.

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury. One woman yelled "We believe in God!" and left with three children...

And by the way, DAKDAK, if you're going to flood the forum with attachments perhaps you'd like to help pay for the forums hosting and bandwidth?

[twik]

That is just more of the same old song and dances in my opinion The moon is a type of water tank and fills up every month,by some form of snow.

The part of me that loves the ridiculous really hopes that DAKDAK will expalin that this "monthly fill-up" is the cause of the phases of the Moon.

[peter eldergill]

Thanks Bob for all of your knowledge and patience

dakdak: Thank Bob for all of his knowledge and patience


Pete

[Glom]

I wonder if Bill Nye would have got a better reaction if he'd not framed the point by referencing the Bible. Still seems funny and stupid and depressing though.

[Valis]

Did you recently attend a lecture by Bill Nye in Waco, Texas, DAKDAK?

Bill Nye - "The Science Guy" - booed in Texas for saying the moon reflects the sun

Well, not that recently, as that's a story from 2006, resurfacing in 2009, and now re-resurfacing in 2012 

[DataCable]

The CM was 12.8' in diameter and 11.4' in height. A simple cone of those dimensions has a volume of about 490 cubic feet.

I am still coming up ith 210 cubic feet not 490 Maybe you should check your math

Volume of cone = 1/3 * pi * radius^2 * height

The dimensions given by Chew:

Radius = 6.4'
Height = 11.4'

6.4^2 = 40.96
40.96 * 11.4 = 466.944
466.944 * pi ~= 1466.948
1466.948 / 3 = 488.982

So Chew rounded up.  DAK, please present your calculations which result in 210 ft^3 from the given dimensions.

[Edit:  After reading DAK's needless PDF attachment "cm debate 6A"]

Even though this diagram was switched to inches you can easily see that the
width is 154 inches or 12feet 10 inches wide
After taking off for the service module and the Lunar Module you are left
with 127 inches or 10 feet 7 inches tall

Using those dimensions:

Radius ~= 6.417'
Height ~= 10.583'

6.417^2 ~= 41.178
41.178 * 10.583 ~= 435.787
435.787 * pi ~= 1369.065
1369.065 ~= 456.355

Again, nowhere close to 210 ft^3.

[DataCable]

Did you recently attend a lecture by Bill Nye in Waco, Texas, DAKDAK?

Perhaps not, but he did apparently obtain that image of Jupiter and the moon (without attribution) from a 2010 Christian Science Monitor article. 

[DataCable]

all the items that supposedly came back from the moon would not fit in the space that was available.

We have already demonstrated that you don't know how to even estimate how much space was available, so please show us how you calculated.. or even estimated... the volume of "all the items that supposedly came back from the moon."  Your needless PDF attachment "CM DEBATE 3 PG 2" consists of a photo of Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Gunter Wendt and several technicians in the whiteroom (through which the CM was entered before launch), the text "2. (FIVE ) VERY LARGE PARACHUTES," "THREE FOR SPLASH DOWN AND TWO FOR LAUNCH ABORT" and 2 photos of Apollo parachutes.  Are you claiming there is not enough space in the CM for these chutes? What is the volume of these chutes when folded?  Please show your calculations.

[Bob B.]

The CM was 12.8' in diameter and 11.4' in height. A simple cone of those dimensions has a volume of about 490 cubic feet.

I am still coming up ith 210 cubic feet not 490 Maybe you should check your math

Volume of cone = 1/3 * pi * radius^2 * height

The dimensions given by Chew:

Radius = 6.4'
Height = 11.4'

6.4^2 = 40.96
40.96 * 11.4 = 466.944
466.944 * pi ~= 1466.948
1466.948 / 3 = 488.982

So Chew rounded up.  DAK, please present your calculations which result in 210 ft^3 from the given dimensions.

[Edit:  After reading DAK's needless PDF attachment "cm debate 6A"]

Even though this diagram was switched to inches you can easily see that the
width is 154 inches or 12feet 10 inches wide
After taking off for the service module and the Lunar Module you are left
with 127 inches or 10 feet 7 inches tall

Using those dimensions:

Radius ~= 6.417'
Height ~= 10.583'

6.417^2 ~= 41.178
41.178 * 10.583 ~= 435.787
435.787 * pi ~= 1369.065
1369.065 ~= 456.355

Again, nowhere close to 210 ft^3.

Also note that if we use DAKDAK's incorrect formula given in reply #55, we still don't get 210 ft³.  The formula given was...

The math is something like
(Radius( x) pie squared)times the height, this gives you a cylinder you divide that in half this gives you a cone.

Applying DAKDAK's formula to DAKDAK's dimensions we get,

V = r * pi² * h / 2

V = 6.417 * pi² * 10.583 / 2 = 335 ft²

So I too would like to know by what method DAKDAK is "still coming up with 210 cubic feet."


By the way, DAKDAK, pie is a tasty baked dish, not a mathematical constant.

[JayUtah]

]I do not agree you see the moon unlike the earth does Emmit lot and lots oflight when The  moon is full.

No, that's reflected light.  Please look up the difference between reflection and emission.

Albedo is not measured by percent

Albedo is a fraction, a reflectivity coefficient.  As such it can be expressed in any form that is appropriate to a fraction, percentage being the most common.

Actually the lower the albedo the more light is being emitted

Albedo has nothing to do with emission.  However the greater the albedo, the more light is reflected.

I attached a real picture of the moon it is definitely emitting light

You attached a picture of the Moon reflecting light.  The visibility of the "dark" portion is caused by Earthshine:  light reflected from Earth to the Moon, then back to Earth.

If you believe the Moon emits light, please fill us in on what chemical, mechanical, or energetic process you think produces that light.

[LunarOrbit]

Did you recently attend a lecture by Bill Nye in Waco, Texas, DAKDAK?

Bill Nye - "The Science Guy" - booed in Texas for saying the moon reflects the sun

Well, not that recently, as that's a story from 2006, resurfacing in 2009, and now re-resurfacing in 2012 

Doh. I hate when that happens.

[twik]

If you believe the Moon emits light, please fill us in on what chemical, mechanical, or energetic process you think produces that light.

I'd still like to know how the lunar "tank" fills up every month with "some sort of snow".

Is the tank the whole Moon? That's a heck of a lot of snow to fill it up. Where does this "snow" come from? Why can't we see the clouds that create it? Where does all this water go every month after the tank fills? (Please, no "retaining water" jokes.)

These are things I'd like to hear from DAKDAK.