Why I suspect Apollo was a hoax.

[Bob B.]

Just go to Google Books and search "porous plate sublimator" and all sorts hits come up.

https://www.google.com/search?q=porous+plate+sublimator&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1#q=porous+plate+sublimator&tbm=bks&start=0

[Abaddon]

Why? Is that yet another thing your bumbling efforts at research failed to find?

Hoaxers love blurry photos.
Okay, throw it in the pile with your other so-called evidence.

There is a veritable pile of evidence that all of these missions are real.

You, OTOH, have no evidence at all for any of your wild, fanciful claims. None, Nada. Zero. Zilch. SFA.

[Neil Baker]

...no spacesuit ice sublimator is mentioned in any academic-level heat transfer or thermodynamics book.

Here a text book titled Advanced Heat and Mass Transfer that asks its students a question about porous plate sublimators (question #4.2.1).

https://books.google.com/books?id=yxMnotbAAz4C&pg=PA436#v=onepage&q&f=false

Yes, published in 2010 long after I began publicly disputing the ice sublimators in 2007

Heat and Mass Transfer - Anthony Mills - 1995 - ISBN 0256114439

You were saying?

Where's the 1995 date?

[Neil Baker]

Why? Is that yet another thing your bumbling efforts at research failed to find?

Hoaxers love blurry photos.
Okay, throw it in the pile with your other so-called evidence.

There is a veritable pile of evidence that all of these missions are real.

You, OTOH, have no evidence at all for any of your wild, fanciful claims. None, Nada. Zero. Zilch. SFA.

Too bad you don't have proof.
By the way, I have a way you can PROVE it. On Earth. Today.

[Abaddon]

...no spacesuit ice sublimator is mentioned in any academic-level heat transfer or thermodynamics book.

Here a text book titled Advanced Heat and Mass Transfer that asks its students a question about porous plate sublimators (question #4.2.1).

https://books.google.com/books?id=yxMnotbAAz4C&pg=PA436#v=onepage&q&f=false

Yes, published in 2010 long after I began publicly disputing the ice sublimators in 2007

Heat and Mass Transfer - Anthony Mills - 1995 - ISBN 0256114439

You were saying?

Where's the 1995 date?

That would be the publication date.

Are you really that useless at looking things up?

[Abaddon]

Why? Is that yet another thing your bumbling efforts at research failed to find?

Hoaxers love blurry photos.
Okay, throw it in the pile with your other so-called evidence.

There is a veritable pile of evidence that all of these missions are real.

You, OTOH, have no evidence at all for any of your wild, fanciful claims. None, Nada. Zero. Zilch. SFA.

Too bad you don't have proof.
By the way, I have a way you can PROVE it. On Earth. Today.

Yes. You said. The tests you demand have been done countless times. You are not a special snowflake that gets to demand that said tests be repeated just for you.

[Luke Pemberton]

That would be the publication date.

40 - Love

Are you really that useless at looking things up?

game, set and match.

[JayUtah]

Too bad you don't have proof.

Shifting the burden of proof.  Further, there is no obligation to disprove speculation.

By the way, I have a way you can PROVE it. On Earth. Today.

Asked and answered.  You have had a way for many years to prove your claims practically.  You have not done so, nor explained why you have not.  Instead you have simply launched upon a crusade against an entire field of engineering, on no more rational a basis than your ignorance and disbelief.  Further, you have been repeatedly provided with evidence of the trials you say were never done.  Your resistance to them does not obligate NASA or anyone else to orchestrate a new one for your personal benefit.

[JayUtah]

That would be the publication date.

I think Baker legitimately believed the ISBN was meant to refer to the book found at the link.  It does not; they are two separate books.

[raven]

Did you notice that particular post (reply 27 on page 2)? The link proves the photo you claim recent responsibility for, was actually on the internet back on 17 June 1997, at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journals.

I saw it and I believe you. I imagine it was buried in cyberspace somewhere. But it didn't appear to me and others until much later.

Well, that looks to me rather at odds with your earlier:

The photograph of the ice sublimator that is presented is able to be presented because of me. I'm confident, it was my steady agitation that caused it to finally appear on the Internet.

[bolded for emphases]
Even if you go back to the ALSJ intro page as it was almost 20 years ago, it takes a grand total of three clicks, one on the Apollo lunar surface journal logo image, another on 'Introductory Material' and, lastly,'Portable Life Support System (PLSS)', to get back to the page I linked to. That's not buried, Neil Baker. That's not even mildly dusted.
You should listen to your room-mate.

[Abaddon]

That would be the publication date.

I think Baker legitimately believed the ISBN was meant to refer to the book found at the link.  It does not; they are two separate books.

I don't see how he could conflate the two books. Different titles, different authors, different publication dates and different ISBNs.

Unless we are proposing to add poor reading comprehension to his repertoire of bumbling around the webernets.

[mako88sb]

Neil, let me ask you a two-part hypothetical question. Let us say, for some reason, NASA decided to arrange a special demonstration - just for you and some other observers - just like you request to show off the spacesuit working in a vacuum chamber.

Would this actually convince you?

If so, WHY would it actually convince you? You've posited some insanely complicated acts of deceit on behalf of NASA. According to you, they've somehow gotten an inflatable object into orbit around the planet at a speed of over 17,000 miles per hour.
Do you have the experience and knowledge to positively identify an in-use vacuum chamber? Could you tell if it was being faked?
Magicians manage to convince live audiences of amazing feats of illusion. David Copperfield arranged an illusion that tricked his audience into thinking he'd made the Statue of Liberty vanish. Do you really think they couldn't manage something as simple as a fake vacuum chamber?

So again, why would this specific demonstration convince you? It is no less "fakeable" than all the other evidence that is available.

It would have to be fakeable to more than just me. I expect at least two other independent witnesses on hand. I also expect to be allowed to hook up our own pirani and hot cathode ionization gauges. I'm confident that my level of experience with vacuum systems is sufficient. Personally, I doubt they'll be able to get anywhere near orbital vacuum of ~1e-6 Torr if the sublimator works as they allege. But maybe they have some huge vacuum pumps to compensate for the sublimator sublimating.

It was a few months ago, I believe, when someone pointed out that NASA would likely never allow someone arrested for bomb threats into any of their facilities. You said you would be fine with 3 people with reputations you could trust being the witnesses. From your post here, it sounds like you've changed your mind. Do you really think you would ever get the required security clearance? 

[JayUtah]

Unless we are proposing to add poor reading comprehension to his repertoire of bumbling around the webernets.

Look at his level of attention here and elsewhere he has debated.  I believe he simply doesn't read any of the posts here except to latch onto some tidbit he can use to prolong the debate and increase the attention paid to him.

[bknight]

Please list any your relevant qualifications.

Just in case you missed the question in all the posts.

Here's his resume from when he was running for governor back in 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031224132630/www.oceanchinampa.com/BakerResume.pdf

Didn't hold employment for very long at the same organization.  Is this  because of work performance, work relationship or job hopping for better pay?

[Zakalwe]

And I said, I have no burden to produce any in order to question your claim.  You seem to be arguing that we are on equal footing, or in some sort of standoff or stalemate.  Not true, as regards your claim.  You have the burden to prove it.  If you say you cannot, it fails forthwith.

Yes you do. You claim there's a manned ISS and spacewalks and moonwalks were made.
I say PROVE it.

Have you ever tried to look at the ISS through a small telescope? It's not that hard...transit times are publicly available from a myriad of sources.
www.heavens-above.com

As for ISS spacewalks, they have been observed from earth using backyard telescopes by amateurs.

Oh bull!

So now you are calling people like Thierry Legault liars and frauds? As well as people that I personally know? You are incorrect and woefully ignorant.

By the way, I am still waiting for your detailed refutation from here:

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=945.msg31079#msg31079

You state that it can't work. Prove it.


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I guess I was thinking of not staring into the sun through a telescope.  Cameras if they have proper settings obviously can take pictures as you have linked.

No, they cannot.
In whitelight the Sun is simply too bright and the infra-red energy thats focused through the lens will burn the sensor or shutter curtains. Never, ever point an unfiltered camera at the Sun
http://www.camerarepair.org/2012/05/solar-eclipse-burned-camera/

The hydrogen-alpha images are taking with a highly specialised telescope that employs a resonant cavity filter (a Fabry-Perot etalon) to only allow a very precisely tuned wavelength of light through (656 Angstroms). This light is emitted when a hydrogen electron falls from the third to it's second lowest energy level. Viewing at this frequency allows us to see into a deeper layer of the Sun's atmosphere called the chromosphere.

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