Why I suspect Apollo was a hoax.

[gillianren]

I am minded of Moon Man's plaintive cry for an answer as to at what altitude above the moon's surface did the vacuum start and how did it extend all the way to Earth, and how far did this supposed vacuum extend. Those were actual questions asked.

Moon Man remains one of the two or three people I've encountered here and at BAUT over the years who is still quoted by some of my friends.  Along with Michael Mozina and his Solid Solar Surface garbage.  And, yes, it's the "alleged vacuum" quote that they reference from Moon Man.

[JayUtah]

For most intents and purposes the ISS is a balloon.  An inhabited balloon made of aluminum.

[bknight]

For most intents and purposes the ISS is a balloon.  An inhabited balloon made of aluminum.

Great allegory, Jay.

[raven]

Oh well, at least he isn't claiming David Niven's autobiography is an example of Hollywood whistleblowing.
(Quite a fun read by the way. Well worth picking up.)

[Ishkabibble]

Fair enough. In that vein, can I suggest considering the transit across the sun in tandem with a separate transit across the moon, and point out that the size of the ISS, when you consider that the Moon almost covers the Sun exactly in a solar eclipse, is remarkably consistent between the two - indicating that its height is consistent between the two series, and reinforcing the viewpoint that it's in a broadly fixed-height orbit above us.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I had the impression that Neil thought the ISS was an inflatable object, but was fully the size of the ISS and in the same orbit. Just, ya know, inflatable. So it should behave in most ways like the ISS.

Of course, it is utterly baffling to me why he thinks we could put a giant inflatable device in orbit but not could possibly put an actual space station there.

And while I don't know exactly what, I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few engineering problems that could be solved or assisted if we COULD built giant inflatable devices capable of going in a stable orbit with less effort than it takes to launch a solid object.

Bigelow?

[Ishkabibble]

And this leads right back to the inconsistent HB claim. The EBIL GUBBMINT is simultaneously so supremely powerful that it can silence any whistle blower by blandishment or assassination as required but at the very same time puts the evidence of their conspiracy on the intertubes for any moron to find.

Riddle me that.

My kid brother is a Bigfoot/Alien conspiracist. He really believes all that stuff. His hero is Georgio Tsoukalis. I am convinced that he also doesn't think Apollo happened as the historical record portrays, but knows to keep his tongue around me.

I finally shut him up years ago with this:

All of the lunar landings occurred during the Nixon Administration. If Nixon couldn't keep a burglary done by three guys a secret, how in the hell do you think he could keep secret a lunar landing fake when the program had over 400,000 people working on it?

Hasn't said a word about it since.

[raven]

Fair enough. In that vein, can I suggest considering the transit across the sun in tandem with a separate transit across the moon, and point out that the size of the ISS, when you consider that the Moon almost covers the Sun exactly in a solar eclipse, is remarkably consistent between the two - indicating that its height is consistent between the two series, and reinforcing the viewpoint that it's in a broadly fixed-height orbit above us.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I had the impression that Neil thought the ISS was an inflatable object, but was fully the size of the ISS and in the same orbit. Just, ya know, inflatable. So it should behave in most ways like the ISS.

Of course, it is utterly baffling to me why he thinks we could put a giant inflatable device in orbit but not could possibly put an actual space station there.

And while I don't know exactly what, I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few engineering problems that could be solved or assisted if we COULD built giant inflatable devices capable of going in a stable orbit with less effort than it takes to launch a solid object.

Bigelow?

He asserted, of course without evidence, they were involved somehow, claiming they were involved in black ops of some nebulous, nefarious nature.

[bknight]

My kid brother is a Bigfoot/Alien conspiracist. He really believes all that stuff. His hero is Georgio Tsoukalis. I am convinced that he also doesn't think Apollo happened as the historical record portrays, but knows to keep his tongue around me.

I finally shut him up years ago with this:

All of the lunar landings occurred during the Nixon Administration. If Nixon couldn't keep a burglary done by three guys a secret, how in the hell do you think he could keep secret a lunar landing fake when the program had over 400,000 people working on it?

Hasn't said a word about it since.

I'd recognize that do from a mile away
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=giorgio+tsoukalos

[smartcooky]

Oh well, at least he isn't claiming David Niven's autobiography is an example of Hollywood whistleblowing.
(Quite a fun read by the way. Well worth picking up.)

I didn't even have to look that up to get a laugh!!!

[raven]

Oh well, at least he isn't claiming David Niven's autobiography is an example of Hollywood whistleblowing.
(Quite a fun read by the way. Well worth picking up.)

I didn't even have to look that up to get a laugh!!!

Yay shared reference getting! (Seriously, there needs to be a word for that.)

[Dalhousie]

Oh well, at least he isn't claiming David Niven's autobiography is an example of Hollywood whistleblowing.
(Quite a fun read by the way. Well worth picking up.)

I didn't even have to look that up to get a laugh!!!

Me neither!

[Zakalwe]

All of the lunar landings occurred during the Nixon Administration. If Nixon couldn't keep a burglary done by three guys a secret, how in the hell do you think he could keep secret a lunar landing fake when the program had over 400,000 people working on it?

Nail
Head.

Heck...Clinton couldn't keep his, erm, cigar antics quiet and there was only two people present at the time!  As Michael Collins stated- most Americans couldn't keep a secret for a weekend, never mind for 40 years!

[bknight]

All of the lunar landings occurred during the Nixon Administration. If Nixon couldn't keep a burglary done by three guys a secret, how in the hell do you think he could keep secret a lunar landing fake when the program had over 400,000 people working on it?

Nail
Head.

Heck...Clinton couldn't keep his, erm, cigar antics quiet and there was only two people present at the time!  As Michael Collins stated- most Americans couldn't keep a secret for a weekend, never mind for 40 years!

The whole secret is one of the fabrics that hold the HB's argument together.  Same goes for alien landings/scientific accomplishments that the government holds at Area 51.  Of course the secret government work at Area 51  helps promote this secret.  Now if the government can keep secrets at Area 51 then the HB's cling to hope.

[smartcooky]

The whole secret is one of the fabrics that hold the HB's argument together.  Same goes for alien landings/scientific accomplishments that the government holds at Area 51.  Of course the secret government work at Area 51  helps promote this secret.  Now if the government can keep secrets at Area 51 then the HB's cling to hope.

But could they?

For years, people who observed the goings on at Area 51/Groom Lake reported seeing black triangular shaped "UFO's" coming and going at night.

[bknight]

But could they?

For years, people who observed the goings on at Area 51/Groom Lake reported seeing black triangular shaped "UFO's" coming and going at night.

There were sightings/photos of these objects and one would assume that something was being tested, but the exact information at least wasn't readily available to the general public.  Perhaps the KBG or the Stasi knew about them, but they weren't going to spill the beans to the population.  Rather like when the British broke the Enigma code, they has to keep that secret as well.
Overall I do think it was/is an impossibility to keep a NASA fraud from being uncovered by some investigative reporter at sometime in the last 45+ years.