HBs, CTs, Deniers, Alien Apologists...

[Al Johnston]

Being military myself, I thought that the book 'Starship Troopers' was great but thought that whilst the movie was basically true to the book, it completely corrupted the message.

I didn't read the book so I'll ask a question, what is/was the message of the book?

In a sentence, that participation in the political process should be limited to those who have demonstrated an ability to put the interests of society before their own.

[bknight]

Being military myself, I thought that the book 'Starship Troopers' was great but thought that whilst the movie was basically true to the book, it completely corrupted the message.

I didn't read the book so I'll ask a question, what is/was the message of the book?

In a sentence, that participation in the political process should be limited to those who have demonstrated an ability to put the interests of society before their own.

Ok just like the movie then.

[sts60]

Just like the movie?  We must have seen different versions.  The one I saw was apparently about underwear models milling around randomly on alien planets in a military style apparently designated "Brownian motion writ large".  Except when it showed spaceships, piloted by other underwear models, milling around randomly above alien planets.

I think the theme, beautifully brought out by the cast, was about Man's undying struggle to display more than one facial expression.

[bknight]

Just like the movie?  We must have seen different versions.  The one I saw was apparently about underwear models milling around randomly on alien planets in a military style apparently designated "Brownian motion writ large".  Except when it showed spaceships, piloted by other underwear models, milling around randomly above alien planets.

I think the theme, beautifully brought out by the cast, was about Man's undying struggle to display more than one facial expression.

LOL, ok you identified the movie, but to become a citizen one had to serve.

[raven]

I think it's kind of amusing that, given that the book basically invented 'power armour', that the movie had them running around in gear on that a Vietnam vet would wince at.

[bknight]

I think it's kind of amusing that, given that the book basically invented 'power armour', that the movie had them running around in gear on that a Vietnam vet would wince at.

Electronic Kevlar?

[raven]

I think it's kind of amusing that, given that the book basically invented 'power armour', that the movie had them running around in gear on that a Vietnam vet would wince at.

Electronic Kevlar?

More Iron Man, actually, assuming you mean what I think you mean.

[Humots]

I think it's kind of amusing that, given that the book basically invented 'power armour', that the movie had them running around in gear on that a Vietnam vet would wince at.

Electronic Kevlar?

More Iron Man, actually, assuming you mean what I think you mean.

I have heard that the movie makers were afraid that including powered armor would have required an immense and risky investment in special effects.

That is, lots of expensive CG work that produced unrealistic results. 

I did see some sketches of powered armor in a "Starship Troopers" movie book.

Also, the Bugs in the movie would have gotten stomped.  The Bugs in the book had their own guns, nukes and star ships.

Too bad.  Heinlein did a great job of describing how the armor would work, and what wearing it would be like.  I was hoping to see some of that.

[Obviousman]

That's why I thought the message was corrupted. For example, "the hump". I don't think that was even mentioned. Anyone who has been turn from a civilian to a military person has gone through that.

Another thing were the "federal" messages in the movie; they sounded... fascist? Heinlein would have been rolling in his grave so rapidly it is a surprise that someone didn't try to run a dynamo off of him.

[raven]

I think it's kind of amusing that, given that the book basically invented 'power armour', that the movie had them running around in gear on that a Vietnam vet would wince at.

Electronic Kevlar?

More Iron Man, actually, assuming you mean what I think you mean.

I have heard that the movie makers were afraid that including powered armor would have required an immense and risky investment in special effects.

That is, lots of expensive CG work that produced unrealistic results. 

I did see some sketches of powered armor in a "Starship Troopers" movie book.

Also, the Bugs in the movie would have gotten stomped.  The Bugs in the book had their own guns, nukes and star ships.

Too bad.  Heinlein did a great job of describing how the armor would work, and what wearing it would be like.  I was hoping to see some of that.

Maybe, we can pray/hope if we ever get a reboot, we'll get that then. CGI wasn't up to the task then, but now? Now I could see it.

[Allan F]

A lot can be done with practical effects. Just look at the powered exoskeleton forklift used in "Aliens".

[Ishkabibble]

Last movie I watched in a theater was "The Hunt for Red October"

Book are better than movies, IMHO.

[Dalhousie]

That's why I thought the message was corrupted. For example, "the hump". I don't think that was even mentioned. Anyone who has been turn from a civilian to a military person has gone through that.

Another thing were the "federal" messages in the movie; they sounded... fascist? Heinlein would have been rolling in his grave so rapidly it is a surprise that someone didn't try to run a dynamo off of him.

There is no doubt in my mind the society in the book was highly authoritarian and probably totalitarian.  Fascist?  The massive xenophobia and militarism certainly points that way. 

[Dalhousie]

A lot can be done with practical effects. Just look at the powered exoskeleton forklift used in "Aliens".

Imperial Storm troopers too.

[raven]

A lot can be done with practical effects. Just look at the powered exoskeleton forklift used in "Aliens".

Imperial Storm troopers too.

The power armour of the Mobile Infantry was described looking like a steel "hydrocephalic gorilla" as well as flying, or at least jumping, with style, and don't forget the drop pods! I love practical effects too, and I would love seen them for certain shots, buuut I think CGI would have to do some heavy lifting, no pun intended but accepted with glee.