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Apollo Discussions => The Reality of Apollo => Topic started by: sts60 on October 25, 2013, 09:21:30 AM
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I just watched the introduction of a filmed group interview from 1989:
NASA Program and Project Management Initiative - Apollo Program Oral History - Lessons Learned and Experiences Shared by NASA Program Mangement
This is a roughly two hour discussion with:
- Howard W. Tindall - Deputy Chief, Mission Planning and Analysis Division
- George Mueller - Associate Administrator for Manned Spaceflight
- Owen W. Morris - Manager, Lunar Module Project
- Maxime A. Faget - Director, Engineering & Development, Manned Spacecraft Center
- Robert R. Gilruth - Director, Manned Spacecraft Center
- Christopher C. Kraft - Director, Flight Operations, Manned Spacecraft Center
("Manned Spacecraft Center" = original name for JSC, Johnson Space Center in* Houston)
I look forward to watching the whole thing. (I started working for Max a few years after this was filmed.) It's from a couple of CDs and is in the form of two .MOV files. I can burn copies and mail them to anyone who's interested. (And I haven't forgotten those who asked for the books, I'll get them out.)
* For sufficiently generous values of the word "in"; those of you who have been there know what I mean.
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Yes please - will PM you with address.
I was listening to the Talking Space podcast and they mentioned that Chris Kraft wrote a very interesting letter regarding the space programme to one of the papers; quite scathing of the SLS and Mars missions. I'll have to look it up and give it a read.
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Assuming the video is in the public domain (if it was produced by NASA, it is), why not just put it up on the web?
If you don't have a website I can volunteer mine.
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Hi all,
Newbie here. I have been trying to find any video at all of Robert Gillruth and have been surprised at the lack of anything decent about him. This surprises me as I am halfway through Kraft's 'Flight' and I am learning just how impressive Gillruth was. Please can someone help me with how I can watch this video? It sounds like Gold dust.
Perhaps I can trade for some of the audio documentaries I have (My particular favourite is the Radio 4 'Walking On The Moon' narrated by Buzz where he recreates the descent to the lunar surafce. Brilliant!)
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I have been trying to find any video at all of Robert Gillruth and have been surprised at the lack of anything decent about him...
I haven't heard of any such video, but that doesn't mean none exists. Others here might know of something.
He does appear in nearly all of the official NASA movies of the moonlanding missions, but there are mostly only one- or two-second shots that include him when cigars are being handed around at Mission Control at the end of the missions. I could tell you where to see him in the same versions of the movies that I have, but there are some very poor-quality, edited versions around on DVD. Quick-buck-makers have degraded the non-copyrighted material. It would be good if Spacecraft Films did high-quality restorations of the full films, similar to the fantastic quality of the Mercury missions' DVD set where the movies look like they were shot yesterday.
The NASA movies, of about 28 minutes each, are:
Eagle Has Landed: The Flight of Apollo 11
Apollo 12: Pinpoint for Science
Apollo 13: 'Houston... We’ve Got a Problem'
Apollo 14: Mission to Fra Mauro
Apollo 15: In the Mountains of the Moon
Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden
Apollo 17: On the Shoulders of Giants
Gilruth's Wikipedia biography doesn't say much, but it does have links to a little external material, including his Oral History interview.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_R._Gilruth
Googling "robert r" gilruth turns up 68,400 results. Note one "l" in his name, not two. That might have caused you to get fewer hits.
There's a Mount Gilruth in Antarctica which is named after him. (And one of our members here might already know all about Mount Faget.)
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Thank you so much for such a brilliant, helpful reply. Plus, I did realise the single 'l' after posting but couldn't see an option to edit it. Doh!
So is it possible to watch the 'NASA Program and Project Management Initiative - Apollo Program Oral History - Lessons Learned and Experiences Shared by NASA Program Mangement'? It sounds fascinating!!
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Hi all,
Sorry to bother you all again but please can i ask (beg) for some more info on the fantastic video that sts60 posted about? I am so keen to see this.
PS- Are most people on here also on the CS forum and the NASA Spaceflight forum?
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There's a Mount Gilruth in Antarctica which is named after him. (And one of our members here might already know all about Mount Faget.)
OMG...so it is true...thats just proof those moonrocks did come from Antartica... ;D
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Please can i ask (beg) for some more info on the fantastic video that sts60 posted about? I am so keen to see this.
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Sorry guys and gals, things have been... busy. I still owe people some books, too.
PM your address, and I'll burn a couple CDs and mail them. ka9q, if you'd like to host the files, I'll be happy to send you the CDs with my thanks.
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Hi,
No problem and thank you so much. I have sent you a pm.
I am excited about this!! ;)
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I sent the CDs to ka9q and will send to Obviousman and Buel - but Buel, your PM'd address didn't say what country you're in; please take pity in my geographical ignorance and let me know.
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sts60,
Many apologies for that, I have just PMd you again with all my details. I live in the UK. Thank you once again for this, it is very kind. Perhaps I can return the favour with some BBC and Radio 4 Apollo stuff.
Buel
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It would be good if Spacecraft Films did high-quality restorations of the full films, similar to the fantastic quality of the Mercury missions' DVD set where the movies look like they were shot yesterday.
That would be nice....it would also be nice if I were to receive the 4 disc A11 set I ordered back in April of 2011.
Although their products are amazing, actually getting those products once you have ordered them is another thing entirely...
I feel fortunate to have the sets I do, and do not expect to receive A11 at all.
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After that long, you might want to try contacting them more directly. :o
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Hi sts60, please can I ask if you got the PM ok?
Thanks for this,
Buel
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PM your address, and I'll burn a couple CDs and mail them. ka9q, if you'd like to host the files, I'll be happy to send you the CDs with my thanks.
I received the CDs from sts60, read them in and transferred them to my website. The URLs are
http://www.ka9q.net/Apollo/Management-Oral-History-1.mov
http://www.ka9q.net/Apollo/Management-Oral-History-2.mov
Pass these around as you like.
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Well I, for one, would just like to say a massive 'Thank you' to you and, of course, sts60, for the videos. They are nothing short of fascinating!!
I have searched high and low for some/any video of Robert (Bob) Gilruth but have never been able to find any, up to now. I have just watched the men introduce themselves (the first 8 minutes) and it is fantastic! I never thought I would get chance to see these guys speak. Boy do I owe you both for this!! Thank you so very much!!
If you two would like the BBC Armstrong documentary in return, just let me know!!
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You're welcome.
Yes, I'd like to see the Armstrong interview.
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Hi,
I have emailed you the link.....! :D
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PM your address, and I'll burn a couple CDs and mail them. ka9q, if you'd like to host the files, I'll be happy to send you the CDs with my thanks.
I received the CDs from sts60, read them in and transferred them to my website. The URLs are
http://www.ka9q.net/Apollo/Management-Oral-History-1.mov
http://www.ka9q.net/Apollo/Management-Oral-History-2.mov
Pass these around as you like.
Thank you ka9q, and of course thanks to sts60 as well!
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Well I, for one, would just like to say a massive 'Thank you' to you and, of course, sts60, for the videos. They are nothing short of fascinating!!
I have searched high and low for some/any video of Robert (Bob) Gilruth but have never been able to find any, up to now. I have just watched the men introduce themselves (the first 8 minutes) and it is fantastic! I never thought I would get chance to see these guys speak. Boy do I owe you both for this!! Thank you so very much!!
If you two would like the BBC Armstrong documentary in return, just let me know!!
Great video, thanks. I saw in the end credits that it was a BBC/WGBH Boston co-production, so I assume it will air in the U.S. on PBS's show Nova at some point (with an American narrator no doubt; I've never understood why they do that).
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More thanks to sts and ka!! Please leave them there a bit longer as I have only downloaded vol 1 so far...
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Almost finished Kraft's book and George Mueller does not come out of it well. He seemed quite impressive in the video.
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This is my first post after lurking for a while (a disappointingly quiet period, I might say, for fans of active debunking threads).
Thanks to the efforts of sts60 and ka9q, the two volumes of the Apollo management oral history are safe on my hard drive, waiting for me to have the opportunity to watch them all the way through.
Somewhat by chance I discovered that a transcript of the videotaped sessions had been written up as a NASA History Office paper, Monograph 14, available at history.nasa.gov/monograph14.pdf. Some folks might prefer to read the transcript and skip the tapes.
As for me, I'm looking forward to hearing the voices and watching the faces of these giants whose work I mostly know of from the pages of Murray & Cox. But I expect to have the transcript in my lap while watching the tapes, sometimes flipping back and forth to be sure my recollection of an earlier point is correct.
Cheers,
chancery
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Welcome, chancery. Yes it is quiet around here. The moon hoaxers have lost most of the energy to come out of the last walled few walled up areas they inhabit.
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Yeah, so if you're really looking for some action, head on over to Youtube. Hunchbacked has been relatively quiet about the Apollo "hoax", and lately he's been taking on creationists. Seems very strange to be on the same side as this guy about something.
So in the meantime, here are some especially colorful residents of YT-land:
Chev4206: every spacecraft ever "flown" is a fake, even the ISS, because rockets can't work in vacuum. Seems continually confused about the genders with which various body parts are associated.
expattaffy1: Apollo LM not flying today proves it never existed. TYPES IN ALL CAPS. Sounds like he's always about to sneeze.
Misty O'Dell: greatest image analyst who ever lived, yet cannot recognize DCT compression artifacts in Chang'e 3 images; thinks they're proof mission was faked. Maybe that's why he now works at a Circle K.
MG42pillbox: evolution violates every law of physics; "real" science completely proves creationism
MckyMseNTar0tCrds, aka MckyMseNTarotCrds1: Apollo pictures should be full of stars, yet strangely resists invitation to produce his own pictures using Apollo exposure settings. Member of hunchbacked "Photoshop signature in republished Apollo images proves they were totally fake" fan club. Member of awe130 "let's relabel ISS night-side images as daylight images to prove NASA really can photograph stars" fan club.
nameofthepen: MckyMseNTar0tCrds cheerleader
Don't spend too much time on YT, you might lose your faith in humanity.
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MG42pillbox: evolution violates every law of physics; "real" science completely proves creationism
Anyone who likes getting stuck into Creatards and/or IDiots should mosey on over to the JREF forums and check out this thread, Abiogenic Origin of Life: A Theory in Crisis (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=271478), started by GIBHOR. He only started it on January 6 and its up to over 1300 posts already!!
The guy is just about as nutty as they come. You'll go a long way before you'll see a more comprehensive collection of logical fallacies than this.
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The guy is just about as nutty as they come. You'll go a long way before you'll see a more comprehensive collection of logical fallacies than this.
That would be saying a lot!
What gets me is how unconcerned these people seem to be that they're attacking a caricature of evolution with a caricature of the second law of thermodynamics -- and of every other "law" of physics they abuse.
It's amusing that creationists think enough of science -- or more accurately, are sufficiently envious of the reputation that modern science has earned -- to accuse scientists of somehow being the "unscientific" ones. They'll say with a perfectly straight face that modern science actually confirms everything in the bible. Carbon dating, "properly used", proves the earth is young, and so on and on.
These attacks wouldn't be so dangerous if more people understood what evolution actually says and how the scientific method actually works. But that's why it's called pseudoscience; the resemblance to real science is purely superficial.
I haven't been able to get this guy to answer the one question I always try to ask every creationist: You seem quite upset at what you perceive as human arrogance toward god, so exactly who are you to tell him how he can or can't run his own universe? If he wants to make evolution his method of creating, who are you to tell him he can't? This guy won't even acknowledge the question; maybe he's smarter than he looks.
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I haven't been able to get this guy to answer the one question I always try to ask every creationist: You seem quite upset at what you perceive as human arrogance toward god, so exactly who are you to tell him how he can or can't run his own universe? If he wants to make evolution his method of creating, who are you to tell him he can't? This guy won't even acknowledge the question; maybe he's smarter than he looks.
You must be Corsair 115?
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Nope.