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Title: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Jason Thompson on April 28, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
Good grief....

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/conspiracy-corner/#
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Luke Pemberton on April 28, 2014, 06:25:13 PM
Good grief....

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/conspiracy-corner/#

David Icke and Bart should get on well.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: LunarOrbit 🇨🇦 on April 28, 2014, 08:40:03 PM
"...and produced films shown on ABC, NBC, CNN, TLC, USA, BET, as well as The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

I'm assuming he means the video of Buzz Aldrin punching him. That was probably shown on every network. ;)
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on April 28, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Good grief....

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/conspiracy-corner/#

I couldn't continue reading after this bit because the coffee I was drinking was sprayed all over the monitor...


"Bart Sibrel is an award winning filmmaker!
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 29, 2014, 01:55:58 AM
I'm still struggling to find which films he has won awards for. All I have so far is that convicted criminal Sibrel has been told that his youtube videos were just lovely from an organisation that basically tells the people who pay them money to join that their youtube videos were just lovely.

All shall win prizes...
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Allan F on April 29, 2014, 05:05:47 AM
Maybe he's struggeling to sell his DVD, and need the cash?
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: ka9q on April 29, 2014, 07:12:58 AM
"Brother Bart"?

"Brother Bart's Conspiracy Channel"?

Ugh. Poe's Law strikes again.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on April 29, 2014, 08:25:36 AM
What's the bet that, as his religious belief systems become clear, he turns out to be a YEC?
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: onebigmonkey on April 29, 2014, 08:52:57 AM
What's the bet that, as his religious belief systems become clear, he turns out to be a YEC?

There may be clues from this 'co-written' song:

http://sibrel.com/sibrel/secretplace.swf?width=640&height=515

I advise caution. And anti-nausea tablets,
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: gillianren on April 29, 2014, 11:21:33 AM
"...and produced films shown on ABC, NBC, CNN, TLC, USA, BET, as well as The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

I'm assuming he means the video of Buzz Aldrin punching him. That was probably shown on every network. ;)

The Tonight Show is on NBC.  I know he's trying to add an extra layer of bragging--what, no Daily Show?--but that bothers me.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Luke Pemberton on April 29, 2014, 01:34:16 PM
"...and produced films shown on ABC, NBC, CNN, TLC, USA, BET, as well as The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

I'm assuming he means the video of Buzz Aldrin punching him. That was probably shown on every network. ;)

Crikey, you've just reminded me that I haven't watched that video in ages. I'm now in need of a fix.  :P
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: raven on April 29, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
What's the bet that, as his religious belief systems become clear, he turns out to be a YEC?
YEC?
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Echnaton on April 29, 2014, 02:47:21 PM
YEC  = Young Earth Creationist.  A pretty safe bet for BS.  I expect he is touting an impending Apocalypse too. 
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: raven on April 29, 2014, 02:51:54 PM
YEC  = Young Earth Creationist.  A pretty safe bet for BS.
Maybe superficially, but given that he has outright lied in his videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig), I think he just does this for the money, ironically making him a true shill.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on April 29, 2014, 05:39:28 PM
YEC  = Young Earth Creationist.  A pretty safe bet for BS.
Maybe superficially, but given that he has outright lied in his videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig), I think he just does this for the money, ironically making him a true shill.


More than superficially I think. Being a supposed YEC would give him a whole new vista of imagined conspiracies to get into....

► Evolution is a scam, perpetrated by the world's mainstream zoologists 
► Plate tectonics is a conspiracy that all the world's mainstream geologists are in on
► Dinosaurs are all hoaxes by mainstream palaeontologists the world over

I'm sure others can think of more, but those are the highlights!!
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: raven on April 29, 2014, 09:57:37 PM
Eh,  I grew up in a YEC Christian family, and while there was definitely elements of the first, the latter two were certainly not the case.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on April 29, 2014, 11:51:27 PM
Eh,  I grew up in a YEC Christian family, and while there was definitely elements of the first, the latter two were certainly not the case.

Well, Walt Brown's "Hydro-Plate theory" has to be one of the most stupid YEC theories ever conceived. The level of stupid in his rantings is breathtaking.

Here, though is my favourite youtube debunker... Wildwoodclaire, taking the mickey out of Walt Brown's preposterous ideas.



PS: How do you embed a youtube video here. I have tried various different ways, I cannot seem to get it to work. the BBCode button  enclosing the URL does not work.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: ka9q on April 30, 2014, 03:22:50 AM
It would be pretty hard to deny that the earth's plates are moving inasmuch as you can actually see them moving with GPS even when there isn't a major earthquake going on. But I wouldn't put it past the young-earth creationists. They deny radioactive decay even when you can watch and time that too.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Tedward on April 30, 2014, 05:41:26 AM
Oh dear. I read the introduction. That was enough.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: ChrLz on April 30, 2014, 06:43:41 AM
Like this...


The problem is the S after the http - get rid of it....  I'm not sure what it is that makes some links Secure but not others..
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: gillianren on April 30, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
It would be pretty hard to deny that the earth's plates are moving inasmuch as you can actually see them moving with GPS even when there isn't a major earthquake going on. But I wouldn't put it past the young-earth creationists. They deny radioactive decay even when you can watch and time that too.


An expanding Earth proponent on BAUT's ATM section, when I still visited BAUT's ATM section, told me they'd never measured subduction.  I told them they had, in fact, and were in the process of doing it a few hundred miles from my apartment.  I forget exactly why I was wrong about that one, but he was sure I was.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Echnaton on April 30, 2014, 11:22:18 AM
YEC  = Young Earth Creationist.  A pretty safe bet for BS.
Maybe superficially, but given that he has outright lied in his videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig), I think he just does this for the money, ironically making him a true shill.
I suspect BS's beliefs are sincere at the time he says them for the purpose for which he holds them.  It is just that his purposes are different from yours and mine.  His overall behavior suggests to me that he live his life at crossed purposes. 
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on April 30, 2014, 08:17:16 PM
I suspect BS's beliefs are sincere at the time he says them for the purpose for which he holds them.  It is just that his purposes are different from yours and mine.  His overall behavior suggests to me that he live his life at crossed purposes. 

It is perfectly possible for people to have sincerely held beliefs which contain a level of stupid that is simply beyond all reason, e.g. flat-earthers and no-planers!


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ChrLz. Thanks for the info regards youtube embedding. That will be why I have been able to get to to work sometimes and not other times
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: ka9q on May 01, 2014, 05:02:41 AM
The problem is the S after the http - get rid of it....  I'm not sure what it is that makes some links Secure but not others..
The S stands for Secure. Without it, your browser connects to the standard HTTP port (80) on the server and fetches the object in the clear. The https prefix tells your browser to connect to a different server TCP port (443), perform a SSL (Secure Sockets Library) handshake, and fetch the object using SSL to encrypt it.

Many web servers support both unencrypted (http) and encrypted (https) connections, but not all. Some web servers don't listen on port 443 at all, so you'll get "connection refused" or something similar. Other web servers (like mine) do listen on 443 but aren't properly set up for every domain name that they happen to serve unless the site owner explicitly pays for that feature. The result can be weird errors, hangs, 404 (not found) errors, etc.

It's a good idea to use https whenever possible just on principle, to make it that much harder for the NSA and other black agencies to vacuum-cleaner the entire web. But if it doesn't work, just change https to http.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Noldi400 on May 02, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
In one of the little... uh... commentaries on his site "Brother Bart" says:

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I receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit.

I can't help but wonder whether he's considered mentally disabled.

Also, if he's really a "theology student" as he claims, I have to wonder if he was absent the day they taught the concept of going to hell for malicious lying.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: raven on May 02, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
In one of the little... uh... commentaries on his site "Brother Bart" says:

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I receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit.

I can't help but wonder whether he's considered mentally disabled.

Also, if he's really a "theology student" as he claims, I have to wonder if he was absent the day they taught the concept of going to hell for malicious lying.
He lied about being sick that day. :P
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Noldi400 on May 02, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
I thought Walt Brown's cracked-crust hydroplate flood theory sounded familiar.  Sure enough, back in 1965 there was a movie called Crack In The World that had a similar premise, where a scientist sets off a thermonuclear device in/near the Earth's magma layer, causing a crack that rapidly encircles the globe and "threatens to split the Earth in two".

Actually not a bad movie, and certainly more entertaining than listening to Walt Brown.

Trailer:

Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Luckmeister on May 03, 2014, 12:57:22 PM
In one of the little... uh... commentaries on his site "Brother Bart" says:

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I receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit.

I can't help but wonder whether he's considered mentally disabled.

I also receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit. That's simply the payee's choice of payment options. It need not have anything to do with mental disability.

It's everything else he does and says that leaves me wondering.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: ka9q on May 04, 2014, 12:02:57 AM
Ah yes, "Crack in the World". I remember seeing that one on TV not long after it came out. Even then it seemed pretty damn hokey. I certainly don't lie awake at night worrying about geothermal power.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Noldi400 on May 06, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
In one of the little... uh... commentaries on his site "Brother Bart" says:

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I receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit.

I can't help but wonder whether he's considered mentally disabled.

I also receive a small social security check monthly, on the first of each month, by direct deposit. That's simply the payee's choice of payment options. It need not have anything to do with mental disability.

It's everything else he does and says that leaves me wondering.

I believe you missed my point. I also receive an SSA check monthly by direct deposit. In my case, it's because of a physical disability.

My comment was intended to refer to the reason for Sibrel's stipend.  He doesn't appear to be physically disabled (although such a disability is not always obvious), nor is he in the right age range(s) for survivor's or retirement benefits.

So I was speculating (in a tongue-in-cheek way) that he has qualified as mentally disabled.

 
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Drewid on June 15, 2014, 11:12:33 AM
I'm still struggling to find which films he has won awards for. All I have so far is that convicted criminal Sibrel has been told that his youtube videos were just lovely from an organisation that basically tells the people who pay them money to join that their youtube videos were just lovely.

All shall win prizes...

To be fair being an "award winning filmmaker" doesn't necessarily mean he won awards for his films.   That 50 yard swimming badge is still an award after all.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: raven on June 18, 2014, 01:44:44 AM
Ooh, sneaky! ;D
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: BazBear on June 18, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
Just as an aside; The Bart mentions in the OP linked article that he was Skyping with his dear Filipino fiance, which leads me wonder...

1) Is she real?
2) If she is real, have her and Brudda Bart ever met in real life?
3) If she is real, is "she" actually a Thai TV/TS hooker, living in Bangkok, who makes living bilking gullible middle aged men for phone and/or text sex? (okay, okay, that last bit is just my sick fantasy about what BB deserves) ;D
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 31, 2014, 04:24:25 PM
Seems Brother Bart isn't done yet - here he is being interviewed for some conspiracy website or other

http://thatalks.com/edition40/ (http://thatalks.com/edition40/)

You can skip the first 5 minutes as it's just vacuous preamble.

As opposed to what follows...
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: beedarko on August 31, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
Seems Brother Bart isn't done yet - here he is being interviewed for some conspiracy website or other

http://thatalks.com/edition40/ (http://thatalks.com/edition40/)

You can skip the first 5 minutes as it's just vacuous preamble.

As opposed to what follows...

My goodness, it only took Brother Bart a minute or so to be caught in a bald faced lie, notwithstanding his claim of that silly "documentary" costing 1/2 million dollars to produce.  At 07:17 he talks about his stunt where he approached several astronauts and asked them to swear on the Bible that they walked on the moon, as if that action would produce any kind of proof either way.  He goes on to say that none of them "took the oath", which is provably false.  Gene Cernan accepted his challenge, and I believe one other astronaut did as well, (maybe someone else recalls... was it Bean??)  The look on Sibrel's face when Cernan agreed to his terms was priceless.  Think deer + headlights + the infamous Visine scene from A Clockwork Orange. 

Naturally he makes no mention of that incident.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: JayUtah on August 31, 2014, 08:19:33 PM
My goodness, it only took Brother Bart a minute or so to be caught in a bald faced lie...

I wonder how his new Boss will take to his habitual lies.

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...notwithstanding his claim of that silly "documentary" costing 1/2 million dollars to produce.

We had quite a big laugh over that.  It's 40 minutes of royalty-free stock footage, except perhaps for the Zapruder film (for which the Zapruder family sometimes just waives royalties).  Sibrel claims he paid over $10,000 alone for the rights to the song "Destination Moon," but that's about two orders of magnitude too much for a minor use license.

The feature film Primer, in contrast, had a budget of $7,000 and actually required a cast and crew -- not just some guy editing stock footage in his basement.

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Naturally he makes no mention of that incident.

God is watching, Brother Bart!
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: smartcooky on August 31, 2014, 10:01:54 PM
The feature film Primer, in contrast, had a budget of $7,000 and actually required a cast and crew -- not just some guy editing stock footage in his basement.

Director: Shane Carruth.
Producer: Shane Carruth.
Writer: Shane Carruth.
Music: Shane Carruth.
Editing: Shane Carruth.
Starring: Shane Carruth.
Also starring: David Sullivan, Casey Gooden, Anand Upadhyaya, Carrie Crawford, Samantha Thomson and Brandon Blagg, most of whom are friends and family of....Shane Carruth.

That's one way to keep production costs down!!

That said, found the film very enjoyable.

NOTE: A $7000 budget with a $425,000 box office return is not be be sneezed at.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: JayUtah on August 31, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
That's one way to keep production costs down!!

And one that Sibrel should have used, since I can't find anyone else except him who worked on his first film.

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A $7000 budget with a $425,000 box office return is not be be sneezed at.

Nope.  But according to Sibrel its profits still wouldn't have paid for the production costs of his own film.

But yes, the Salt Lake Film Society routinely sponsors films with production budgets in the low tens of thousands of dollars, often in the hopes that one will be a breakout hit.  These have crews, casts, location permits, transportation and catering costs, royalties and license fees -- stuff Sibrel didn't worry about.
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: beedarko on August 31, 2014, 11:12:07 PM
The feature film Primer, in contrast, had a budget of $7,000 and actually required a cast and crew -- not just some guy editing stock footage in his basement.

A thoroughly enjoyable mind bender, and worthy of repeat viewings. 

I had the opportunity to work on a film directed by Kevin Foxe, executive producer for The Blair Witch Project, the granddaddy of all low-budget film success stories.  He told me that during production, they were optimistic that they might be able to recoup their investment over a period of years through royalties from Blockbuster rentals.  I think the film's gross far surpassed it's budget on the opening weekend alone.
 :D
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Noldi400 on September 01, 2014, 03:46:28 PM
That's one way to keep production costs down!!

And one that Sibrel should have used, since I can't find anyone else except him who worked on his first film.

Maybe he didn't have any friends.  ::)
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Ranb on September 01, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
3) If she is real, is "she" actually a Thai TV/TS hooker, living in Bangkok, who makes living bilking gullible middle aged men for phone and/or text sex? .....
Whoaaaaaa doggy!  :)  All of my wives are from Asia, half from Thailand and I used Syke often to keep in touch.  Once you go brown you never go back.

Ranb
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: Echnaton on September 02, 2014, 08:40:27 AM
That said, found the film very enjoyable.

And it made more sense and was more believable than Brother Barts project.   ???
Title: Re: Oh lord show me the truth....
Post by: BazBear on September 02, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
3) If she is real, is "she" actually a Thai TV/TS hooker, living in Bangkok, who makes living bilking gullible middle aged men for phone and/or text sex? .....
Whoaaaaaa doggy!  :)  All of my wives are from Asia, half from Thailand and I used Syke often to keep in touch.  Once you go brown you never go back.

Ranb
Now you've done it; now I'll have the "Me so horny, me love you long time" scene from the film Full Metal Jacket stuck in my head the rest of the day. ;)