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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by Obviousman on November 17, 2024, 01:48:12 AM »
No. The minute you give up, they win. This website is a resource which those who wish to get more information. We all owe it to whomever those people may be.

It applies equally to the Trump administration: they WANT you to give up. Mind you, this is what we are up against:

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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by raven on November 15, 2024, 03:46:35 AM »
I am glad this place exists.It provides quite a respite from the abject ridiculousness of far too many parts of the Internet and beyond while being a community of smart, kind and knowledgeable people.
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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by Ranb on November 12, 2024, 03:20:14 AM »
LunarOrbit,

I hope you do whatever it takes, to keep this oasis of reason, alive on the internet.  Thank you and good luck.

Ranb
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Radioactive CM handles?
« Last post by Dalhousie on November 11, 2024, 04:43:08 PM »
Seems an excess of caution since Pm147 is only a beta emitter.
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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by rocketman on November 11, 2024, 01:14:28 PM »
they find it easier to produce memes and farm engagement on X or facebook echo chambers where there's no need to try and formulate logical and internally consistent discussion.

I do indeed find there is no need to try and formulate logical and internally consistent discussion in social media outlets.

Unfortunately, that is also the case at every science-themed board I've ever visited, as soon as the topic strays outside the domain of the board.  I've even come across people who have argued explicitly that there is no need to know what you're talking about or reason logically in domains other than their own.  At this board, I've seen people argue explicitly that we should not point out mistakes, if they have been made by people arguing against hoax claims.  So much for "logical and internally consistent discussion".  This idea that we should compromise our intellectual integrity and become the hypocrites that the hoaxies sometimes claim we are, really put me off of this board.

On the plus side, I have cited (multiple times) one particular member of this board as a good example of someone who understands the principle, "STFU when you don't know what you are talking about" - a skill that is often sadly lacking, even among scientists and engineers.
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Radioactive CM handles?
« Last post by bknight on November 10, 2024, 08:39:16 PM »
Here is some information on the handles and what happened to them.  In an attached image you will find some radiation decals put on after recovery.
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001473.html

There is also a link to a NASA report.

ETA:  The report, I have read this back about 7 years ago while researching the Blunders radiation claims.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19730010172/downloads/19730010172.pdf
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The Reality of Apollo / Radioactive CM handles?
« Last post by Dalhousie on November 10, 2024, 06:57:09 PM »
I came across this claim here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/14480682307?fbclid=IwY2xjawGeJRRleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHb4fTY1olIqHaq3xeOhoHlNLd2EqVQUTWABO3Cpz_jtkhH_LyNlrb8BMyQ_aem_L3ruXpQLD33X30hhRdC22w

Is this correct? Were the handles really regarded as radioactive waste and disposed of accordingly? 
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The Reality of Apollo / Apollo 12 "documentary"
« Last post by Peter B on November 09, 2024, 06:27:07 AM »


This video features a film about Apollo 12, as interpreted by their backup crew.

Please note, there's some crude and sexist humour here, but by and large it's just good fun.

Has anyone seen this before? I certainly hadn't.
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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by onebigmonkey on November 09, 2024, 05:11:27 AM »
I don't think the battle has been won, it's just moved to new grounds. The forum doesn't get traffic from hoax proponents because they find it easier to produce memes and farm engagement on X or facebook echo chambers where there's no need to try and formulate logical and internally consistent discussion.

As a place to ask questions, and also to shine a spotlight on where the lunatics are hanging out now, this place still very much has a useful function.
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General Discussion / Re: Is it time to admit defeat?
« Last post by LunarOrbit on November 08, 2024, 12:11:28 PM »
This place is a lifeboat. Please don't sink it.

I promise, I do not intend to shut down the website. I don't have the patience to debate the reality of the Moon landings with delusional people anymore, but I will continue to support anyone who still does. I just wondered it there was someone with more passion to defend Apollo who wanted to take charge of the website. I do care a lot about Apollo, so I will always defend it... I just don't have the energy that I used to, not with everything else going on.

If this website suddenly disappears it will be because the fascists that will be running the United States as of January 2025 see it as a threat to their agenda. We support the space program, which is a glorious aspect of American history that they won't try to rewrite (except to erase the women and people of colour who were critical to it's success). But we also defend the truth (in general) and promote critical thinking here, and I don't think they will like that too much. We're a small group, so we will probably fly under their radar... but who knows what the future holds now?
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