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Other Conspiracy Theories / Re: HBO Miniseries From the Earth to the Moon

« Last post by Jason Thompson on Today at 03:49:25 AM »

There was lots of material in the book that was not shown in the Apollo 13 film.  For example, the contribution by Grumman to resolving the emergency was limited to a single character in the film claiming they cannot ensure that anything will work.  There were more course corrections and a battery explosion to deal with also.

Fair point. Grumman definitely got shafted in the movie, being made to look like they were more concerned about liability in the event of problems (and then the cliched 'I knew it all along' reaction when the burn works) than in doing everything possible to ensure it succeeded.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on Today at 02:13:00 AM »

He's made claims about FB deleting his accounts before. The original account of his that he claimed "they" got rid of ('逍遥子') is still there (but obviously not in use). Bob Williams may well be the same one behind the AD youtube channel. I have a dummy profile to browse but got bored of them. My main profile has all the main players blocked so I don't actually see much on there. I mainly check what the window lickers are saying because inevitably they will say something that prompts a line of research that actually provides more support for them missions than the hoax

I'm shocked that a pretend physicists doesn't understand how radiated heat works. Shocked I tell you.

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Other Conspiracy Theories / Re: HBO Miniseries From the Earth to the Moon

« Last post by JayUtah on September 15, 2025, 09:49:26 PM »

For example, the contribution by Grumman to resolving the emergency was limited to a single character in the film claiming they cannot ensure that anything will work.

An unfair characterization, since the Grumman went to enormous effort to support the Apollo 13 contingent mission.

The book contained a brief anecdote about a bill (from Grumman to McDonnell Douglas) for towing and accommodation in the LM during the lifeboat rescue back to Earth, being passed around Mission Control.

From Grumman to North American. There were actually three versions of this: two invoices on Grumman's standard forms and one in letter form on Grumman letterhead. We have a framed copy of one of the invoices on the wall in our accounting division at work. Fred Haise autographed one of the invoices and added, "Thanks for the lift!"

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Other Conspiracy Theories / Re: HBO Miniseries From the Earth to the Moon

« Last post by Ranb on September 15, 2025, 06:28:36 PM »

I think that would still have been a big overlap with the movie, but maybe more could have been made of the sequence of minor mishaps that led to a near disaster, providing more focus on the ground crews and lengthy prep work that went into the missions beyond astronaut training.

There was lots of material in the book that was not shown in the Apollo 13 film.  For example, the contribution by Grumman to resolving the emergency was limited to a single character in the film claiming they cannot ensure that anything will work.  There were more course corrections and a battery explosion to deal with also. 

The book contained a brief anecdote about a bill (from Grumman to McDonnell Douglas) for towing and accommodation in the LM during the lifeboat rescue back to Earth, being passed around Mission Control. 

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on September 15, 2025, 12:00:23 PM »

So on the one hand you have idiots like Rasa (who seems to have been kicked out of his own facebook group!)

Alas, this is not the case.

His FB account was deleted; he claims by Facebook, I reckon he did it himself to generate some attention again, since Najak is taking it all. He posts under the user Apollo Moon Hoax (although it's not his account).

The current claim is that the Apollo space craft couldn't radiate heat away in space, it would only slow the heating of the ship. Gotta wonder how he thinks the cooling of the ISS and Tiangong stations work  And this is the person who claims he's getting his "2nd" PhD, in quantum mechanics.

"no, there was no "passive cooling"... there was "passive thermal reflection" but that wouldn't cool the ship, that would only allow the ship to get hotter at a slightly lower rate"

"the ship wasn't radiating any heat away... in order for it to radiate heat away, it would have to be glowing hot"

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Other Conspiracy Theories / Re: HBO Miniseries From the Earth to the Moon

« Last post by Jason Thompson on September 15, 2025, 05:17:01 AM »

I'm not sure a series about the journey from the Earth to the Moon could have got away with not having an episode about Apollo 11.

Perhaps I should have said they could have done without what they produced. 

A better version of the Apollo 11 episode could have featured some of Apollo 10 and the test of the abort procedure, more about the LLRV crash, why they landed long, etc. 

Now that I can get on board with. Maybe more focus on what Collins was up to as well. Almost everything you see, hear or read about the Apollo landing missions minimises the stuff being done by the CMP during the landing phase, almost giving the impression they basically just sat up there waiting. Yes, the stuff on the Moon is probably more interesting but there was perhaps a missed opportunity to highlight a lesser-known area of the missions.

The Apollo 13 episode could have centered more on the efforts of Grumman and mission control to bring the crew back.

I think that would still have been a big overlap with the movie, but maybe more could have been made of the sequence of minor mishaps that led to a near disaster, providing more focus on the ground crews and lengthy prep work that went into the missions beyond astronaut training.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 15, 2025, 04:53:05 AM »

This chap's entire PhD

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19750023913/downloads/19750023913.pdf

was based on intercepting ALSEP signals.

I'm sure they'll repeat the claim that they were placed there by robots, but I'm willing to be they won't supply a logically consistent, evidentially sourced timeline as to how that was accomplished.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 15, 2025, 03:02:35 AM »

Following a comment by the nlunder on their latest video, where he claims it was all done by remote craft and only in lunar orbit and that somehow this means something I did some more digging.

I came across this site:

https://www.ok2kkw.com/next/pa0ssb/pa0ssb_eng.htm

describing the work of a Dutch amateur - there are even links to photos of newspaper articles at the time so as with the QST article it's not something fabricated after teh fact:

“On 11 Dec at 0630, Jan clearly heard a signal from the command module (CSM) orbiting the Moon at a strength of 10 dB above the noise. After 10 minutes, the signal was gone due to shadowing on the Moon's surface. The signal returned after an appropriate time. After the astronauts landed on the surface of the Moon, they placed a beacon operating in the 13 cm band on its surface. Jan then used this beacon for a long time for accurate alignment of the dish’s aiming. Jan was the only amateur to listen to Apollo signals from EU. He recorded the astronauts' conversations with the control center.”

I also found this page discussing Jan's work,

https://mail.amsat.org/archives/pipermail/amsat-bb/2006-December/002091.html

where they state that:

“I know of at least one Dutch radio amateur, Jan Ottens PA0SSB who used his EME dish (one of the first in PA land to do EME back in those days) to receive the ALSEP packages. He still keeps audio tapes of these which I listened to a while ago... quite a thrill. He also used the dish to listen to the command module S-band transmissions, but he could only hear the subcarrier which they used, not enough gain/low NF to demodulate, but from the modulation you could clearly tell that an astronaut was talking. And, you could clearly distinguish the Doppler shift and hear the carrier drop out suddenly when it would go on the "flipside" of the moon.”

EME is "Earth-Moon-Earth", which a lot of amateurs used to bounce radio signals from the moon.

Another contributor, who worked at Goldstone at the time fo Apollo says:

https://mail.amsat.org/archives/pipermail/amsat-bb/2006-December/002089.html

“My boss set up a ten foot comm dish in his front yard and using a diode mixer with a signal generator as LO, detected the 2-GHz carrier of the orbiter as it circled the Moon.  It was fascinating to hear the signal and the Doppler shift as it orbited and lost signal for about 20-min as the orbiter went behind the Moon.  That was too small and poor a receiver to recover modulation, so we did not hear any voice.”

So on the one hand you have idiots like Rasa (who seems to have been kicked out of his own facebook group!), claiming that there's no way amateurs could have access to S-band or use Doppler to track things, and then you have the actual amateurs and enthusiasts who were doing just that. Those same amateurs are not just intercepting signals from a moving object in lunar orbit, but from equipment set up on the lunar surface by astronauts during the mission, where they are recorded doing so on live TV, and where that live TV shows surface details that have been verified independently since.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by bknight on September 14, 2025, 03:29:10 PM »

And of course they either know about this and are ignoring it, or don't know about it when their claimed expertise means they should.

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/Apollo17/APOLLO17.htm

Stupid is as stupid does, I debated with other HB on YTube and discussed A 11 with similar listening with crude antennas.  Comments such as how I can prove that this listening occurred or other hand waving.  To the hard core HB nothing shows the error of their ways, just ignoring/handwaving away any evidence that they are wrong.  Yet they completely ignore the facts and evidence that completely refutes the stupid ideas that hold dear.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 13, 2025, 03:19:09 PM »

And of course they either know about this and are ignoring it, or don't know about it when their claimed expertise means they should.

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/Apollo17/APOLLO17.htm