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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by Jason Thompson on February 08, 2026, 11:41:19 AM »
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Apollo 9: launch delayed several months due to LM problems

Nope. The launch was delayed by three days after the crew contracted colds.

This sounds like someone (or an AI) being unclear about the changes in mission planning due to LM delays. Apollo 9 was indeed delayed only a few days once it had been officially designated as such, but the mission itself was supposed to be Apollo 8. So you could argue that the mission of Apollo 9 was delayed by several months because of LM problems, even though once they said 'this is Apollo 9 and it will launch on this date' there was only a delay of a few days caused by crew sickness.

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Apollo 14: no problems, no delays

Well, there's the obvious delay brought on by Apollo 13's more famous problems, and if we're talking problems there was the issue with docking.

Yeah, not sure how anyone could describe Apollo 14 as not being delayed or having problems.

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If anything the post harms the standard "nothing ever went wrong with Apollo" narrative, but it's the basic errors that grate. I was able to cobble the above together with just basic background knowledge and a quick fact check on the internet. No doubt my understanding will have shortfalls, but the difference is that I didn't just swallow an AI output whole, and I was prepared to check my facts.

Yes, this grates with me too. It takes all of 2 minutes to google up reliable sources on the Apollo missions. Equally grating for me are the posts that illustrate with AI images when a short search brings up pretty much every single actual image taken!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on February 08, 2026, 07:48:21 AM »
An odd post over at the Apoolo Moon Hoax page detailing a list of mission delays to Apollo launches, no doubt prompted by Artemis II being put back a month, I;ve attached the original post, and broken it down below.

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were there any delays in the Apollo missions?
Apollo 8: no problems, no delays

So far so good!

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Apollo 9: launch delayed several months due to LM problems

Nope. The launch was delayed by three days after the crew contracted colds. As there wasn't a 'launch window' as such, it didn't cause too many issues. According to this page

https://www.nasa.gov/history/55-years-ago-four-months-until-the-moon-landing/

it was the reason why pre-launch quarantine was introduced.

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Apollo 10: no problems no delays

Almost, but not quite. The launch was re-scheduled from May 1st to May 17th in order to get conditions on the moon that would better match those for the planned Apollo 11 launch window.

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Apollo 11: launch delayed for 2 hours and 40 minutes, there was a faulty fuel tank valve sensor and they electrically inhibited (bypassed) that single “valve closed” discrete data package so the launch commit logic would ignore it

Not true. It launched at the exact time it was supposed to, however bear the above in mind when we get to Apollo 17.

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Apollo 12: during countdown, the craft was struck twice by lightning within a few seconds from each other, the telemetry data went bad, an actual camera which had been set to auto roll managed to capture the first of the lighting strikes... the lighting strikes had caused an under voltage in electrical buses, within seconds after the lightning strike, they were told to switch the SCE (Signal Conditioning Equipment) from the normal mode (main spacecraft power) to the auxiliary mode (alternative internal power path)... which allowed for the systems to reset and within 10 minutes they were told that all systems were go again

Again, almost but not quite. Yes, they were struck by lightning and the famous 'SCE to AUX' instruction resolved the situation, but it was not during countdown - it was during the actual launch. The lightning strikes were captured by TV cameras.

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Apollo 13: Launch delayed for one month due to crew health and spacecraft issue, during the delay engineers replaced or refurbished sensors, valves within the Fuel cell components, Oxygen tank instrumentation, ECS sensors and relays

The launch was indeed put back by a month, but this was more related to a desire to spread launches out - partly from budget cuts, partly from a desire by the lunar receiving laboratory to get more samples from previous missions processed before getting a new batch. There was a hitch with a valve closure in one of the rocket stages, resolved before launch with no countdown interruption, and a premature engine shut down during the ascent to orbit, but this didn't cause any further problems.

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Apollo 14: no problems, no delays

Well, there's the obvious delay brought on by Apollo 13's more famous problems, and if we're talking problems there was the issue with docking. Launch itself was put back by 40 minutes thanks to the weather - a protocol brought in after Apollo 12's strike. This edition of JSC's 'Roundup' https://catalog.archives.gov/id/201696936 reports changes in launch time and procedures as a result of Apollo 13. This edition https://catalog.archives.gov/id/201696958 also reported problems, but no change to the previously revised date.

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Apollo 15: launch delayed for 26 hours while they had to replace a faulty oxidizer flow sensor

Again, not true. The launch occurred exactly as planned.

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Apollo 16: One-month delay due to command-module vibration concerns, solved by upgrading the pogo suppressors in the S-IC first-stage LOX feed system

There was a 1 month delay, but not (it seems) related to any of these issues. Suit modifications, docking ring checks (after Skylab testing revealed a problem) and lunar module power checks were all contributors to the delay. The entire rocket was rolled back to the VAB to replace a tank damaged by over-pressurisation.

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Apollo 17: launch delayed for 24 hours, a faulty memory bit was corrected by a system reboot and reloading of the data

Not true. The delay was 2 hours and 40 minutes and a result of a sensor failing to recognise a manual pressurisation of tank, which was done after automatic processes failed. The sensor was by-passed.

If anything the post harms the standard "nothing ever went wrong with Apollo" narrative, but it's the basic errors that grate. I was able to cobble the above together with just basic background knowledge and a quick fact check on the internet. No doubt my understanding will have shortfalls, but the difference is that I didn't just swallow an AI output whole, and I was prepared to check my facts.
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General Discussion / Re: Scott Manley's Artemis video using Kerbel
« Last post by jfb on February 06, 2026, 03:37:35 PM »
Tietel is not very happy about the Artemis program.  She describes it as a boondoggle to support various aerospace companies to the benefit of various politicians.  She calls it expensive, delayed, old tech, etc.

I've been calling SLS a jobs program pretty much from the beginning. It was clearly intended to keep dollars flowing to certain districts; actually launching stuff into orbit was not its primary purpose.   

The other problem Amy points out is that Artemis is being fast-tracked like Apollo, but it doesn't enjoy anwhere near the level of support in Congress or the public eye to do so effectively.  And it's coming at the expense of some really useful and important work that NASA used to do but is now derided as "woke"1 - Earth science (including climate science), promotion of STEM teaching to minority populations, etc.  Stuff that has far more impact than manned spaceflight.  And there's no funding beyond Artemis III. 

It's just all show and no substance,  while being a very expensive show. 

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1. Literally - the line item slashing STEM outreach describes it as "woke". 
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General Discussion / Re: Scott Manley's Artemis video using Kerbel
« Last post by rocketman on February 04, 2026, 11:16:56 PM »
Tietel is not very happy about the Artemis program.  She describes it as a boondoggle to support various aerospace companies to the benefit of various politicians.  She calls it expensive, delayed, old tech, etc.

I found this at her Wikipedia page.

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In August 2026, Teitel announced she was working on a book about the history of the atomic bomb, with an expected publication of 2027.

I must have overslept again.


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General Discussion / Re: Scott Manley's Artemis video using Kerbel
« Last post by Ranb on February 04, 2026, 08:38:02 PM »
Tietel is not very happy about the Artemis program.  She describes it as a boondoggle to support various aerospace companies to the benefit of various politicians.  She calls it expensive, delayed, old tech, etc.
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My non-expert opinion is that yes, it definitely would.

I remember reading a year or so ago that an Apollo sample rock has been found to include an Earth rock - something brought to my attention by a hoax believer I was interacting with!
What mission, A14?

Yes, I think so.

ETA: Yes, definitely.

https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-earth-rock-found-moon

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What may be the oldest-known Earth rock has turned up in a surprising place: the moon. A 2-centimeter chip embedded in a larger rock collected by Apollo astronauts is actually a 4-billion-year-old fragment of our own planet, scientists say...

Sometime after the rock formed...an asteroid impact blasted it from Earth. It found its way to the moon, which was three times closer to Earth than it is today. The fragment was later engulfed in a lunar breccia, a motley type of rock. Finally, Apollo 14 astronauts returned it to Earth in 1971.
That was what the video presented, but I have some thoughts.  If there were small pieces of the Earh material in Big Bertha, then to me it seems likely that the pieces of Earth by necessity needed to land on the moon while there was molten surface.  Now how long after the Moon was created after an impact 20-200 million years finishing 4.43-4.51 BYA.  So it could have easily been part of Earth blasted out when Thea collided and not an asteroid (semantics here), just an alternative means of transportation.
Thanks for the info, as I hadn't heard or perhaps forgotten that little tid bit from A14.
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General Discussion / Re: Scott Manley's Artemis video using Kerbel
« Last post by Obviousman on February 04, 2026, 03:12:29 PM »
I haven't watched the one from Amy as yet (actually, haven't watched Scott's latest either). I normally enjoy her work immensely; can you give a precis of her video?
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General Discussion / Scott Manley's Artemis video using Kerbel
« Last post by Ranb on February 04, 2026, 02:17:21 PM »
Interesting video.


Much more of a downer is Amy Shira Teitel's video with her opinions on Artemis.


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My non-expert opinion is that yes, it definitely would.

I remember reading a year or so ago that an Apollo sample rock has been found to include an Earth rock - something brought to my attention by a hoax believer I was interacting with!
What mission, A14?

Yes, I think so.

ETA: Yes, definitely.

https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-earth-rock-found-moon

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What may be the oldest-known Earth rock has turned up in a surprising place: the moon. A 2-centimeter chip embedded in a larger rock collected by Apollo astronauts is actually a 4-billion-year-old fragment of our own planet, scientists say...

Sometime after the rock formed...an asteroid impact blasted it from Earth. It found its way to the moon, which was three times closer to Earth than it is today. The fragment was later engulfed in a lunar breccia, a motley type of rock. Finally, Apollo 14 astronauts returned it to Earth in 1971.
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My non-expert opinion is that yes, it definitely would.

I remember reading a year or so ago that an Apollo sample rock has been found to include an Earth rock - something brought to my attention by a hoax believer I was interacting with!
What mission, A14?
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