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The Reality of Apollo / Good reference3 on training suits
« Last post by Dalhousie on June 11, 2025, 05:16:44 AM »I am looking for good sources on the design and construction of Apollo training suits such as these. Suggestions?
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General Discussion / Re: The Trump Presidency
« Last post by jfb on June 10, 2025, 12:49:47 PM »TIFO that Saturday 14 June 2025 is No Kings Day.
I have no intention of encouraging people in the USA to go to protests which could have unpleasant consequences for them. But still, I thought I'd at least mention it.
The intent is to have protests everywhere but DC. We're going to our local one. I doubt ours will get shooty, but I can pretty much guarantee some of them will.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on June 10, 2025, 12:06:15 AM »Even our beloved Najak takes issue with the Apollo Detectives
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General Discussion / Re: SpaceX no longer reliable.
« Last post by jfb on June 09, 2025, 06:12:42 PM »How much of this is real and how much is kayfabe? "Oh, we haven't been in the news for 10 whole minutes, let's stage a slap fight."
Or for all I know this is absolutely genuine, all remaining NASA flights to the ISS are cancelled, all military projects relying on SpaceX are cancelled, the ISS deorbit plan is cancelled and we're just gonna let the thing fall where it falls, and decades of American leadership just get flushed down the toilet. Again. Some more.
extended rant incoming
Make America Great Again by trashing the institutions and culture that made it great and replace it with a slow child's crayon drawing of Stalinist Russia, just with more crypto.
Both the MAGA right and Progressive left are appropriating Soviet culture; MAGAts want the authoritarianism, the Progressives get hot over thoughtcrime (and authoritarianism), both want to throw everyone who doesn't agree with them down to the dot over the "i" in jail (or worse).
The Democrats had two years to deal with the threat. 2020-2022 was the window to make sure Trump wouldn't get back in the big chair. And after months of playing up how much of an existential threat Trump was? They blew it off and started arguing over what to call someone with a vagina, because erasing the very concept of womanhood was the real issue that had to be dealt with. All that guff about Trump was just empty campaign rhetoric. Yeah, sure, January 6 commission. Awesome, great work, valuable service. Accomplished dick-all. Did not have enough support from party leaders, especially Biden, who was slowly turning into a rutabaga. He promised he would be one-and-done, then reneged (well, his people reneged, I doubt he had much say in the matter), and just completely torpedoed everything.
AND THEY STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST.
But this is what the majority of people who bothered to show up wanted. That's what has me so damned angry and depressed. Trump's a clown and a narcissist and a con artist, that's his nature, and I can deal with that. The problem is all the people who looked at that and said, "yep, that's the man I want in charge." Those are the people I want to throttle on a daily basis.
Yeah, I'm not in a good place. I do not know how I'm going to get through the next four years.
Or for all I know this is absolutely genuine, all remaining NASA flights to the ISS are cancelled, all military projects relying on SpaceX are cancelled, the ISS deorbit plan is cancelled and we're just gonna let the thing fall where it falls, and decades of American leadership just get flushed down the toilet. Again. Some more.
extended rant incoming
Make America Great Again by trashing the institutions and culture that made it great and replace it with a slow child's crayon drawing of Stalinist Russia, just with more crypto.
Both the MAGA right and Progressive left are appropriating Soviet culture; MAGAts want the authoritarianism, the Progressives get hot over thoughtcrime (and authoritarianism), both want to throw everyone who doesn't agree with them down to the dot over the "i" in jail (or worse).
The Democrats had two years to deal with the threat. 2020-2022 was the window to make sure Trump wouldn't get back in the big chair. And after months of playing up how much of an existential threat Trump was? They blew it off and started arguing over what to call someone with a vagina, because erasing the very concept of womanhood was the real issue that had to be dealt with. All that guff about Trump was just empty campaign rhetoric. Yeah, sure, January 6 commission. Awesome, great work, valuable service. Accomplished dick-all. Did not have enough support from party leaders, especially Biden, who was slowly turning into a rutabaga. He promised he would be one-and-done, then reneged (well, his people reneged, I doubt he had much say in the matter), and just completely torpedoed everything.
AND THEY STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST.
But this is what the majority of people who bothered to show up wanted. That's what has me so damned angry and depressed. Trump's a clown and a narcissist and a con artist, that's his nature, and I can deal with that. The problem is all the people who looked at that and said, "yep, that's the man I want in charge." Those are the people I want to throttle on a daily basis.
Yeah, I'm not in a good place. I do not know how I'm going to get through the next four years.
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General Discussion / Re: SpaceX no longer reliable.
« Last post by Peter B on June 09, 2025, 06:04:51 PM »Two households, both alike in dignity.
In fair America do we lay our scene.
That is to say, none at all.
My first inkling of what a twit Musk was how he reacted when the Chilean government declined his assistance in a mining disaster, and the guy had just the worst hissy fit about. He didn't actually care about the miners.
It saddens me how much space exploration has been poisoned by this rampaging man child. Also, Starship is feeling more and more like the N1 rather than something that will be functional.
Just a thought, but do you mean the Thai children stuck in the cave?
But I take your point about Starship. I wonder whether SpaceX needs to trim its ambition and split the upper stage into an expendable second stage and a capsule - like a Falcon 9 on steroids.
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General Discussion / Re: SpaceX no longer reliable.
« Last post by raven on June 09, 2025, 05:01:53 PM »Two households, both alike in dignity.
In fair America do we lay our scene.
That is to say, none at all.
My first inkling of what a twit Musk was how he reacted when the Chilean government declined his assistance in a mining disaster, and the guy had just the worst hissy fit about. He didn't actually care about the miners.
It saddens me how much space exploration has been poisoned by this rampaging man child. Also, Starship is feeling more and more like the N1 rather than something that will be functional.
In fair America do we lay our scene.
That is to say, none at all.
My first inkling of what a twit Musk was how he reacted when the Chilean government declined his assistance in a mining disaster, and the guy had just the worst hissy fit about. He didn't actually care about the miners.
It saddens me how much space exploration has been poisoned by this rampaging man child. Also, Starship is feeling more and more like the N1 rather than something that will be functional.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by bknight on June 07, 2025, 06:39:27 PM »I haven't watched the video, but Marcus is nothing but a grifter, deluxe.
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The Hoax Theory / Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on June 07, 2025, 06:18:32 AM »The "Apollo Detectives" channel is absolutely chock full of absolute garbage, and as anyone posting anything remotely critical is banned in short order, and/or their comments deleted, it seems a shame that their utter stupidity goes unchallenged (the excellent work of their nemesis Phase52012 aside https://www.youtube.com/@Phase52012).
I thought it was time critique of their failings was made here, as it's bound to get back to them and annoy them a lot.
Their latest vomitus contains many ridiculous claims, but the first one is that this image:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21063236643/in/album-72157658983462236
Contains a defect. They have decided, because ChatGPT said so and as we all know AI can never be wrong about anything, that it shows a hole in the backdrop that NASA were somehow incapable of realising was there.
That "hole" doesn't appear in the photos either side of AS17-140-2149.
When I looked at the flickr view of that photo, it looked different to the one they were showing, so I had a more careful look. As you can see the two defects are different sizes and overall shape:
They do, however, share common feature - like the loop across the top and centre. the long filament on the left hand side, and the overall shape of the right hand side (and another long filament). Two different backdrops, or maybe a piece of detritus whose shape has been altered by different scanning processes? Which do we think is more likely?
The LM is visible in that photo, and Marcus says: "isn't that amazing nobody's pointed that out".
Well, this edition of Aviation week and Space technology from January 1973 certainly pointed it out:
http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/ephemera/AWST/AWST_Jan_15_73.pdf
as did some of the assembled pans in the USGS Geology report:
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a17/A17PP_Plate07-treated.jpg
The other claim they make regards Apollo 12 photographs of the ALSEP offload from the SEQ bay (AS12-46-6783 onwards).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21077369024/in/album-72157659081038325
Their claim is that in photos taken after the offload, the SEQ bay door is taped shut, and that this is impossible because it would be too high for the astronauts.
What they don't seem to understand is that the main SEQ bay door was raised, and lowered, by pulling a lanyard - it can be seen in diagrams here:
https://www.ninfinger.org/karld/My%20Space%20Museum/lmdiags.htm
and in video here
The door itself is hinged, and you can see that on raising the door, more of the lower half is revealed (the tape inside the green box)
(The red circles highlight studs that can be seen on the door when it's lowered).
So no, the scene wasn't "reset" to take the photos after the offload, they just closed the door by the simple mechanism of pulling on a rope. The tape you think is sealing the door is just holding the Mylar in place on the panel.
Feel free to add any other easily debunked stupidity (this could be a long thread!).
I thought it was time critique of their failings was made here, as it's bound to get back to them and annoy them a lot.
Their latest vomitus contains many ridiculous claims, but the first one is that this image:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21063236643/in/album-72157658983462236
Contains a defect. They have decided, because ChatGPT said so and as we all know AI can never be wrong about anything, that it shows a hole in the backdrop that NASA were somehow incapable of realising was there.
That "hole" doesn't appear in the photos either side of AS17-140-2149.
When I looked at the flickr view of that photo, it looked different to the one they were showing, so I had a more careful look. As you can see the two defects are different sizes and overall shape:
They do, however, share common feature - like the loop across the top and centre. the long filament on the left hand side, and the overall shape of the right hand side (and another long filament). Two different backdrops, or maybe a piece of detritus whose shape has been altered by different scanning processes? Which do we think is more likely?
The LM is visible in that photo, and Marcus says: "isn't that amazing nobody's pointed that out".
Well, this edition of Aviation week and Space technology from January 1973 certainly pointed it out:
http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/ephemera/AWST/AWST_Jan_15_73.pdf
as did some of the assembled pans in the USGS Geology report:
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a17/A17PP_Plate07-treated.jpg
The other claim they make regards Apollo 12 photographs of the ALSEP offload from the SEQ bay (AS12-46-6783 onwards).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21077369024/in/album-72157659081038325
Their claim is that in photos taken after the offload, the SEQ bay door is taped shut, and that this is impossible because it would be too high for the astronauts.
What they don't seem to understand is that the main SEQ bay door was raised, and lowered, by pulling a lanyard - it can be seen in diagrams here:
https://www.ninfinger.org/karld/My%20Space%20Museum/lmdiags.htm
and in video here
The door itself is hinged, and you can see that on raising the door, more of the lower half is revealed (the tape inside the green box)
(The red circles highlight studs that can be seen on the door when it's lowered).
So no, the scene wasn't "reset" to take the photos after the offload, they just closed the door by the simple mechanism of pulling on a rope. The tape you think is sealing the door is just holding the Mylar in place on the panel.
Feel free to add any other easily debunked stupidity (this could be a long thread!).
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General Discussion / Re: SpaceX no longer reliable.
« Last post by JayUtah on June 06, 2025, 01:17:21 PM »Indeed, two very stable geniuses.
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General Discussion / Re: SpaceX no longer reliable.
« Last post by Jason Thompson on June 06, 2025, 10:47:10 AM »Gosh, who'd have thought a pair of raving egotistical narcissists could fail to get along when they have so much in common....