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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models

« Last post by Peter B on December 10, 2025, 12:13:44 AM »

There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

If I've got it correct, Snowman is to the left of the centreline. Look at the writing bottom left, and go straight up from the last W. That crater is Snowman's left 'leg. At 2 o'clock from that crater is another crater of similar size which is Snowman's 'abdomen'. The larger crater at 12 o'clock from the 'abdomen' is Surveyor Crater, or Snowman's 'torso'.

Let's see if I can load a picture...

ETA: Nope.

I have a PDF. Is it possible to upload that into the post? If so, could someone please explain how? Thank you!

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Lunar surface models

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 09, 2025, 10:34:22 PM »

There are photos around of 'The snowman" from Apollo training models - they came up on ebay but I lost out.

Having trouble 'seeing' this one.

Is Snowman to the right of the centre line, with craters Head, Surveyor, and the 'feet' going from top down, below and left of the large crater above the centre line?

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Charlie Duke (Legend) meets Bart Sibrel (I have nothing polite to say)

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 08, 2025, 07:45:02 PM »

I saw that post (made a copy in case it disappeared), but haven't commented, I don't really see the point in drumming it in.

It is curious that is took someone pointing out that the commentator referenced players who weren't in the same team together until 1969, and even then there was push back, for Jarrah to finally do some due diligence. Classic confirmation bias, that we must all be aware of, in that he has found the first clip, and stopped there, since it confirmed his preconceived notions. What probably should have been done was to find other sources that supported the first.

Still, it is what it is, and another hoax claim continues to crumble.

But yeah, that last comment is the true level of his "integrity".

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 08, 2025, 12:59:27 PM »

Straydog02 has found this panorama

https://moonpans.com/vr/apollo17_eva3.htm?r=j

which he thinks proves that Apollo 17's Earth was high in the sky.

It hasn't occurred to him that the black in the moonpans sky might be filled in.

Here's the actual pan



Here's a photo taken at the LM



and here's that photo superimposed on the pan.



Looking a lot like how Stellarium says it should:

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Charlie Duke (Legend) meets Bart Sibrel (I have nothing polite to say)

« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 08, 2025, 12:45:48 PM »

Jarrah has now conceded that he was mistaken when attributing the phrase 'slam dunk' to a period before the Apollo missions. With the good grace and humility we've come to expect, he manages to make it all about how his opponents didn't link to his video in their "echo chambers" becaue, well, you know, we have to do his bidding or something.

It is, again, a moot point: There never was an Operation Slam Dunk, it was a complete fabrication from start to finish. It doesn't matter when the term originated, LBJ never employed it. Prove me wrong.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Charlie Duke (Legend) meets Bart Sibrel (I have nothing polite to say)

« Last post by beedarko on December 06, 2025, 03:08:58 AM »

"Am I a liar and a coward and a thief too sometimes?  Well, yeah"
     
       - Bart Sibrel, 11/25/2006

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Charlie Duke (Legend) meets Bart Sibrel (I have nothing polite to say)

« Last post by bknight on December 05, 2025, 04:11:54 PM »

I watched for about an hour and then closed down, so tired of Bart's stupidity.  An The host really didn't corral Bart during that hour, listening to him Gish Gallop across so many stupid beliefs.  Duke was blitzed by Bart, but did get in I landed on the Moon a couple of times.
The "lunar rock" in the Amsterdam museum was classical with Bart's chain of custody claims that Amstrong gave the PM a rock.  Then said look it up on the net.  Unfortunately, Bart never went into detail of the story, which one of our regulars did in debunking this nonsense.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 05, 2025, 12:18:08 PM »

Oh My goodness! It was a trick! A trap! A ruse! He's so ignorant of the actual transcripts he was hoping someone else would go through it them and find Earth references so he could post the actual Earth elevations.

Or at least that would have worked if he still wasn't insisting that the elevation is around 70 degrees, which absolutely no-one else, and no astronomical software ever, will state that it is.

Whiel verifying (again) that he doesn't know what he's talking about (he doesn't), I finally got around to correcting Stellarium's 'moon' landscape. It gives the location as that of the LM, whereas it's actually taken from Station 9, and has south incorrectly positioned.

Attached is  the Stellarium Landscapes folder for the moon that is more accurate.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...

« Last post by onebigmonkey on December 05, 2025, 02:02:36 AM »

....and having made an absolute fool of himsellf with Earth's elevation by asking AI, he's now "discovered" that there are "no verified mentions of Earth" at all.

So I guess these:

117:49:17 Schmitt: The Earth's just a little high for me, Geno. (while taking a photograph)

118:08:02 Cernan: Oh, man. Hey, Jack, just stop. You owe yourself 30 seconds to look up over the South Massif and look at the Earth!

118:25:47 Cernan: I want to get the Earth.

don't exist.

And those are just the first part of EVA-1 where it's directly mentioned, and where it's alluded to many more times without specifically saying the word.

The "I" in AI is definitely being misused here. I wonder if he knows you can actually watch the EVAs and listen to the audio? It'll blow his tiny mind.

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The Hoax Theory / Re: Charlie Duke (Legend) meets Bart Sibrel (I have nothing polite to say)

« Last post by TimberWolfAu on December 04, 2025, 05:26:16 PM »

One of the counters to Bart's completely fabricated story was the use of the term "Operarion slam dunk", and when it originated.

I mean I'm in agreement with the view that the footage being played may not actually be the footage for the audio being played. I've dropped some emails to both the channel, and the other channel they thanked for help, seeing if either has original sources for the time code in question.
Who know, maybe I'll get a hit and a source, and the whole thing can be put to bed. Hey, maybe we can get Oxford Dictionary updated too! Wouldn't be the first time someone from this forum has had 'official' pages/reports updated