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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Chandrayaan-2 views Apollo
« Last post by Peter B on September 23, 2025, 05:11:18 PM »
Snowman!

Amazing that even at that fairly low level of detail, both the LM and Surveyor 3 can be identified.
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Chandrayaan-2 views Apollo
« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 23, 2025, 02:32:48 PM »
The terrain mapping camera imaged Apollo 12's site on August 7th.

Chandrayaan's files are almost up to date, with quite a few recent additions, but the shapefiles for the date of this capture have only just been added - finding them otherwise is a bit tortuous!
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 23, 2025, 12:30:36 PM »
This document, for those interested (which obviously isn't the ADs)

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19760023161/downloads/19760023161.pdf

describes in detail the development, operation and design of the vacuum glove assembly.

It's been pointed out to them in comments, but they seem more interested in finding out "who sent" the person who provided the information.
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by jfb on September 22, 2025, 02:46:13 PM »
moving into the shade will be an instant temperature drop

Forget just the suit, it seems where ever you look there are HB's going on about the temperature of objects changing from 250°F to -250°F and how could the equipment work. I never took any physics in school beyond the mandatory, basic science classes we had to have, but even I understood that it takes time for objects to gain/lose heat, it's not instantaneous (well, outside extreme situations anyway).

Yeah, thermodynamics doesn't work like that. 

Next time they make that kind of claim, ask them how long it takes for a pot of water to go from room temperature to boiling (a difference of, what, 140º-ish F) when on top of a gas flame at full roar (around 2000º F).  Then ask them how long it takes that pot of boiling water to turn to ice after sticking it in a freezer at 0º F. 

"B..b..but that's different," they'll wail, missing the point completely. 
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on September 22, 2025, 07:29:29 AM »
They really are the gift that keeps on giving..... now where's that bloody receipt?

They even spot that there are documents uploaded recently, and this can only be because NASA are uplaoding new documents edited to remove the things they have "discovered".

Wow, it's almost as if private citizens don't have government funding at their disposal and have to take their time in loading things, replacing with better copies, updating sites, living actual lives that might get in the way. Nope, it must be because the 'defectives' were asking questions so they had to create new items and upload them.

Thanks for the link. I'd seen that one before but apparently didn't save it, rectified that now.

The amount of detail they went into faking it, you'd think it would have been easier to just do it for real.  ;)
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The Hoax Theory / Re: Watching the detectives...
« Last post by onebigmonkey on September 22, 2025, 05:00:23 AM »
The latest half hour stream of consciousness appeal to incredulity is out, and there are several things to note.

They have found a document dump, and within it is a marvellous collection of apollo memos and logs that go all the way through construction and testing. They are amazed that the apollo simulations and testings were able to produce precise timelines, and marvel that small adjustments are made as a result of this process. It's almost as if they wanted to get it right. They note with a conspiratorial wink that the documents are allmostly from 2009, roughly when they started their "deteective work". They even spot that there are documents uploaded recently, and this can only be because NASA are uplaoding new documents edited to remove the things they have "discovered".

This is their treasure trove:

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents

but if they went up a folder, it would lead them to the actual site: the Virtual AGC project, which is nothing to do with NASA.  There's even a change log on the site telling you when new documents have been added, and where they came from. They even poke fun at the moon hoax crowd on one of their links. Documents get revised chaps, deal with it. No-one has been altering those pdfs after the missions to cover themselves after your garbage has aired.

(Just to note I've had no issue accessing that site on my phone, but my computer keeps giving a 503 error - it is there!).

Later on they delve into the amount of fuel on the LM. Scott Henderson opines that the fuel is lighter than water, and so they can't possibly have more in the tank than the volume of it:

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talking about the lander sitting there with those very small fuel tanks, if you add it up, a US gallon of water is 10lb. And of course, any fuel floats on top of water. Anything made from oil product is lighter than water. So, it has to weigh less. And if it's a gas made from that type of material as well, even if you compress it to a liquid, it's still going to be lighter than water. And if you take and fill those tanks up with water and they're about 1 cubic meter each, that means you only have 8,000 lb of fuel sitting there if it weighed as much as water, but it's lighter than water. And of course, the documents say that they had 19.1 something like that. Sometimes it's 19, 12,000 lb. Other documents said 18,500 or whatever. Well, you can't put that into 4 cubic meters. Even if you filled those fuel tanks, even if you took the entire quadrant, which is 1.12 cubic meters with concrete, you're only at 14,000 lb. Concrete's 22 lb per US gallon. All of these materials that they have there that they're putting in are much less weight even when they're compressed to a liquid. And there are documents out there saying that they were getting 15 and 16 pounds for the oxidizer. That's impossible.

That's right, a less dense material can't possibly weigh more, even when it's compressed INTO A MORE DENSE ONE.

And finally, they dispute the existence of a vacuum glove box at the lunar receiving laboratory, saying it couldn't have worked. They demand NASA show them the vacuum box, if it existed. All the while showing footage from NASA with the actual boxes in place. They use Ralph Rene's "demonstration" as proof of this, as his rubber glove in a vacuum explanded. It expanded because it was full of air, instead of a hand. If they had simply searched for "vacuum glove box" on the internet, they'd have found several companies selling this impossible product.

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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by JayUtah on September 21, 2025, 01:30:45 PM »
Ooh, I have a century-old stereoscope that belonged to my great grandfather. I'm going to have to make slides out of those.
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General Discussion / Re: Kids say the darnedest things...
« Last post by Peter B on September 20, 2025, 06:33:50 AM »
Not listening...and not Englishing either.

15YOS, going into his bedroom: I'm just going to close my blinds and curtains.

12YOD: What do you mean, you're going to close your kittens?

15YOS: Huh?

12YOD: What are you, a murden kitterer?
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by Peter B on September 20, 2025, 06:29:57 AM »
Dave McKeegan has just released a video on YT with a bunch of photo pairs from Apollo, both as side-by-sides and as red-blue anaglyphs.

I found the SBS pairs fascinating to look at, so perhaps you might like to point your peepers at the RB anaglyphs.
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The Reality of Apollo / Re: Book Review/New Book!!
« Last post by TimberWolfAu on September 19, 2025, 10:41:48 PM »
OMG!!!!

I was flicking through The Moon as Viewed by Lunar Orbiter last night and opened the back cover and found an envelope with a weird piece of carboard sticking out. I thought it would be funny if it was supposed to be 3D glasses and opened it............ it was!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's four anaglyphs of the lunar surface towards the back of the book I'd never noticed before and now I'm 12 years old again!

My biggest thanks to the previous owner, who kept the book, and glasses, in such good condition. I need to fix the glasses, the glue has failed after all this time.

It really is the simple things in life sometimes.
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