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Offline mako88sb

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Space Race espionage?
« on: October 23, 2015, 07:47:38 PM »
This video has a interesting topic that I've never heard about before. Makes me wonder what other types "spy vs spy" type activities went on that most people are unaware of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H1M92oJ2to

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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 10:58:11 PM »
This video has a interesting topic that I've never heard about before. Makes me wonder what other types "spy vs spy" type activities went on that most people are unaware of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H1M92oJ2to
I'm skeptical.
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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 02:25:53 AM »
This video has a interesting topic that I've never heard about before. Makes me wonder what other types "spy vs spy" type activities went on that most people are unaware of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H1M92oJ2to
I'm skeptical.
Well, it does source a document on the CIA website.

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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 06:45:42 AM »
True but it doesn't seem likely tat all this could have been done in the time and the story of the truck driver,
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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 07:16:33 AM »
The document is also in the National Archives:

https://research.archives.gov/id/7283627

This forum also contains contributions by the person that first broke the story:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16274.0
as well as an indication that the CIA accessed the capsule more than once.

I personally wouldn't put it passed them at all. If you can get your hands on this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spycatcher-Candid-Autobiography-Intelligence-Officer/dp/0670820555/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445685064&sr=8-1&keywords=Spycatcher
then it's well worth a read. There's all sorts of japes that the spooks got up to. One that springs to mind is removing the cover of a coal chute of the building of the Communist Party of Great Britain and replacing it with a dummy cover that contained a microphone and radio transmitter:
"The most risky part of the operation was fitting the false door on the pavement of King Street. It had to be done in full view of the CPGB building, and they were constantly alert to anything suspicious. Hugh Winterborn devised a typically complex plan. He decided to make the installation late on a Saturday night, as theater revelers thronged the
streets in Covent Garden. He arranged for all available A2 and F4 officers and their wives to converge on King Street from different directions at a set time. We were all  choreographed carefully by Winterborn to arrive in two groups pretending to be much the worse for drink. We met on the pavement and exchanged greetings. Behind the huddle Winterborn dropped down to his knees and began to hand drill four small holes in the wall of the chute, ready to receive the spring catches of our door, using his pocket handkerchief to catch the telltale brick dust. Within a minute our noisy socializing began to wear a little thin, but Winterborn had nerves of steel. He patiently finished the drilling, and slipped the false door out from under his coat and clipped it into place."
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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 02:14:40 PM »
When I first saw this thread, I thought it was about "borrowing" a model of Sputnik at the 1958 Brussels World's Fair.  Apparently, we did the same thing, removing a model from the Soviet hall and returning it during the night.  See Michael D'Antonio's book A Ball, A Dog, And A Monkey.  Great read, btw.

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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 03:57:01 PM »
On the other side, I love The Thing. It was just so beautifully elegant in its design and being practically undetectable, because it didn't actually transmit anything or even use power except that of an external radio beam.

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Re: Space Race espionage?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2015, 06:38:48 AM »
This video has a interesting topic that I've never heard about before. Makes me wonder what other types "spy vs spy" type activities went on that most people are unaware of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H1M92oJ2to

Oh, man! Changing the subject here, but due to my oldfartitis, slight deafness, and the vocal fry (aka the Britney Spears Croak) of that woman, plus the high speed at which she talks, I can't understand most of what she says. And I'd quite like to understand.

I've started a new thread in General Discussion for those who want to discuss this subject.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1009.msg35230#msg35230
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